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By apes I meant political capital

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Adam Johnson:

Once again, Bernie Sanders and most of the so-called squad (minus Rep. Rashida Talib, but more on this later) ran to Biden’s defense. In exchange? Reportedly they got Biden to make First 100 day commitments to “expanding Social Security benefits and eliminating medical debt.”

But there was, from all publicly available reporting, no mention of concessions on the Gaza genocide. Which is a fairly conspicuous item left off the list, given that, unlike expanding Social Security benefits and eliminating medical debt, Biden acting on ending support for Israel does not potentially require a far-off, idealized Congress or the Supreme Court upholding a presidential decision. He can do it now, today, as he chooses.

Absolutely pathetic from AOC and Bernie.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stalin continues to be one of the most correct men in history.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

curious to know what you’re referencing

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago

“Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.”

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (2 children)

One of the most politically brain-dead things I've ever seen.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

No way! Now that Biden is not running, he's free to focus on getting all these progressive 100 day goals implemented ASAP!

lollmao

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Donald Trump is bright orange bro

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

So is biden

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago

All these ghouls who have been blatantly lying to the electorate that Biden can be president when they know full well that it's just a bunch of lanyards playing Weekend at Bernie's have lost all credibility.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Aww, we were just about to push him left, too

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

AAWW look at my suckdems. So kyute

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AOC is doing what the American people asked her to. Do you disagree?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

good-morning I love democracy!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

sucdems on twitter are so cucked, man.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

pure electoralism cap on- that means morals are gone

At first, I think the strategy of "I support the democratic candidate and that will be Joe Biden" was fine for "progressives" to take. It took away a talking point that the right wing dems would surely love to have ie "wow! All the progressive dems like AOC (antisemitic, btw!) are against the leader of the party!?"

That makes sense if you have insider knowledge that Pelosi, Jeffries etc. were about to pressure Biden beyond a point that he could withstand. You just openly declare neutrality basically, but also that you side with the status quo. But also that if that changes, the candidate changes, you will change. Then you let Pelosi chop away.

I don't necessarily have an issue with that (see my italicized statement at the top) from a coldblooded power dynamics type of way. You get your wish of Biden going, and you don't take the blame.

My problem, I think everyone's problem and source of confusion, is why the fuck are you going to war for Biden?

Biden has NOT ONCE in four years shown a single shred of legitimate desire to move to the left on basically anything. He went to a union strike picket line- that's good. He did also publicly fuck a union... literally broke their strike via presidential power when he absolutely did not have to. Like literally could've thrown his hands up and said "this isn't for me to decide. Let the company and the workers come to an agreement!" I know he later apparently har Pete work out some stuff on the backend, meeting the original time off demands of the union (still too low, but it was the demands they made). He should've done that publicly. Why didn't he? Optics? Optics of looking too pro union? It's legitimately puzzling. In any case, unions haven't strengthened under his admin, they haven't grown, they're maybe slightly more popular in American consciousness, but just barely. And that isn't so far translating to more people actually joining unions.

The above is basically the positive stuff Biden has done. He went to a picket line, which I'm not going to say isn't good, it is good, and he broke a strike then negotiated behind the scenes...

If your entire thing is being pro worker like it is for Bernie, Biden might be relatively better than any other president, but in absolute terms, he's just pure dogshit. He already had 4 years to go to the left and he did what I said above. That isn't enough to justify 4 more years. It just isn't. He has barely budged at all. He's barely done anything. You throw him out and get a new person and pressure them. You don't keep trying the same strategy over and over.

So, whatever, I have no idea wtf they were trying to do here. They knew Biden was cooked. They aren't stupid. So this was meant to be like a signaling thing to someone and I honest to fuck have no idea who it's for. The establishment dems hate them and don't care what they say. They'll Bowman all their asses at the first chance. Their actual base of further left than most dems voters is at least annoyed by this if not outright enraged. Like no one is happy about this. I seriously don't get it. Unless they really honestly thought Biden could weather the onslaught which would make all of them fucking idiots, or they're just messaging to the right wing corporate/majority of dems like "hey, we're done with all that cringe leftist stuff. We're ready to sign on for all the really really bad stuff now!"

I think they're just fucking idiots and thought this would buy them political capital and, uh, well Biden is gone now and all the other dems hate you. So you just embarrassed yourself for nothing.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

That moment you learn that they have another group chat without you.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

He couldn't even follow through on the milquetoast promises he campaigned on in 2020 and they think he's capable of going BOLDER?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Wonder if Biden knew he was going to drop out already while taking to these idiots.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're jobbers and the people who believe them are marks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Look up the Eric Bischoff Ted Talk.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Nah, now when this inevitably gets blamed on the "far left" we can point to this. Not that it will actually matter. But still

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Ultra-superdimensional chess move to get the donors to force Biden to step down. Do they look like morally corrupt rubes? Sure, but that's how much they care about the country.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Losers! Bye bye!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago