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[–] [email protected] 136 points 3 months ago (3 children)

okay. I've only seen stills of blue guy on a plate. How does this have any resemblance to the last supper? Is it just that there's people at a long table? The more images I find the more concerned I am that christians have not seen a picture of the last supper.

[–] [email protected] 129 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's a well established historical fact that the last supper is the only time in history that people gathered around a table !

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 months ago (3 children)

gathered around a table

Or at least gathered on one side of a table.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

In Canada we call that a Degrassi.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Actually, the one time in history where this many people decidedly failed to gather around a table.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I was hoping to find a video of the performance, since maybe it gave off more Last Supper vibes than a still photo. But I'll be damned, there's not a video of it anywhere. Just lots of videos of people complaining about it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Have a look at this post: https://jlai.lu/post/9004279

Screenshots with timing to show the 2 moments people are confusing

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[–] [email protected] 94 points 3 months ago (5 children)

it is funny how christians by and large do not follow the biblical holiday but totally do the cool pagan ones.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Especially Halloween. Where the fuck do they get off stealing the best and most very different from their own shit?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

What, that's not common knowledge?

Btw, christmas was stolen from Yule. And some stories in the old testament are from Gilgamesh and Atrahasis Epos, like Mose' abandonement in a reed basket as an example.

Literally all beings and concepts in christianity have a pagan origin. Even ancient YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Tetragrammaton (God) goes probably back to El.

But i guess that's natural, concepts like an underworld are in above epics too, those sorts of stories developed over civilizations.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

For sure, the ancient Israelites had a pantheon of gods, just like the Greeks. I mean, their monotheism developed out their own version paganism, of which Yahweh was but one of their gods. Specifically, the god of the storms that occurred in southern palestinian. He had a wife, multiple kids and a giant oversized novelty penis. Along with his god sized cock, he would often be represented as a bull, as a man with horns or a golden calf.

Why yes, theexact kind of golden calf the Israelites started to worship when moses when up mount sinai to get the 10 commandments. Its specifically the exact reason they did it and not that they just decided to worship some random cow, despite having seen a bag full of miracles and monstrous amounts of child murder from their actual god first hand.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

Yup, the calf was most likely a regular part of the northern Israel's worship, but not of the southern Judah's. Since most of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is written from a Judean perspective (which makes sense; it survived longer), it treats it as blasphemous, when in reality, to them, it wasn't.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Like 4/5 of the Bible isn't common knowledge to most Christians. To say nothing of the actual history of Christianity.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

What, that’s not common knowledge?

To the American Christians throwing a fit about this? No, they have no idea.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago (6 children)

For accuracy sake, yes the depiction in the Olympics was meant to be Feast of the Gods, but that painting came after The Last Supper and is thought to be directly inspired by da Vinci. Last Supper - 1495 Feast of the Gods - 1635-1640

Linking Wikipedia. The primaries appear to be in French 😅 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Festin_des_Dieux

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

People are talking about two different moments, 40 minutes from each other: https://jlai.lu/post/9004279

Sorry for the French, but the screens and minutes are there.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago

The same christians who got offended by this would also complain about muslims being prudish when they get pissy about showing their prophet.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think there are a large number of valid reasons to be confused by this image that do not have to do with Christianity.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Like, how do I get a job like that?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

You start by making a number one hit song that is absolutely funny. You continue by making performance art. Then you combine both !

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Apparently any time people are in a row on one end of a long table, it's automatically a Last Supper reference.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

FYI, for all of those shitting on Christians for "not being educated" and upvoting this, the last supper was painted in 1498, the feast of the gods was painted in 1635. Lol

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

The last supper has been painted many times. At least 1000 years before Leonardo's version.

The festival of Dionysus occurred 500 years before Jesus with depictions much older than the last supper.

edit: ppl gettin' mad over their sky wizard...

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

Its sad. Just full blast showing global problems with history education

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

As someone raised as a Mor[m]on, their response would be: the pantheons of pagan gods are just corruptions of the Gospel taught to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Thankfully, Joe Smith (not a couch banger, just a plain old pedophiliac serial rapist like any other good Christian leader) restored (made up) the lost parts of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

hums dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don’t think it counts as stealing- syncretism is present in virtually every faith that has contact with another faith, modern and ancient.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Christianity stole eating from the pagans.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (9 children)

the abandoment is sorta wierd though. so xmass and easter but no celebration of the feast of booths or passover

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

At Last, Supper! Gah, I've been so hungry.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

This meme is just confused. The Feast of the Gods motif would be familiar to da Vinci and whether it was deliberately referenced or perhaps just a visual convention of how to portray a feast, and who influenced who are questions best asked to an art historian specialized on the time period. But ultimately it doesn't really matter - da Vinci's The Last Supper is one of the most iconic images in history and it's not strange that people watching makes the connection, I certainly did even if I also got the reference to Les Festin des Dieux. Of course the idea that the ceremony mocks Jesus or whatever is a hysterical reaction, but that's American evangelicals for you.

Connecting this to christian adaptation of Pagan holidays and motifs, however, is farfetched and ahistorical. The Last Supper is a painting, Leonardo is not the christian church. Leonardo was active during the high renaissance, a time when the ideas and imagery of (mostly pagan) Antiquity was reintroduced into christian europe. References to pagan rome and greece was à la mode in art.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Connecting this to christian adaptation of Pagan holidays and motifs, however, is farfetched and ahistorical.

a time when the ideas and imagery of (mostly pagan) Antiquity was reintroduced into christian europe

It's not like the Christian appropriation of non-christian things just ended sometime before the high renaissance. I'd argue it's ongoing. And even if Leonardo did not appropriate, the Christians now reacting with fury to the depiction of "their" last supper are appropriating.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Yahweh was actually the old god of the harvest and wine I believe. Before the Jewish Pantheon shrunk to one god only. So Yahweh was similar to Dionysus at one point. There are still remnants and mentions of the other gods in the old testament, like Yahweh's wife Ashira and Baal who I think was an underworld god. Also funny that in the old testament, god talks about other gods as if they're real but weak or bad, doesn't deny they exist.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I recall Yahweh being described as a storm god, but gods often wear many hats. Storms can affect harvests a great deal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The version I heard he was a war god and killed the rest of his pantheon, then forbade his followers from even speaking of the other gods. This may have been modern fanfiction though, i've never gone back to figure out where I read that from.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yes clearly. And I can clearly see his balls too. So colorful!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

It’s really too bad Paul went in for Apolline Douchiness rather than Dionysian partying.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (10 children)

I have the weirdest urge to start a fight with the blue dude and I dont know why.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

And there's me mishearing it as diogenes and thinking some bowls were going to get broken and some chickens were going to get grabbed.

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