Electric buses have a battery from a probably reputable supplier, with a decent BMS.
Escooters often come from AliExpress.
There is a difference.
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Also it's not even a choice. Busses are not mass produced vehicles they're regulated individually made commercial vehicles, and when the bus manufacturers say 'were not building manual transmissions as of X date', that's it. It's not happening anymore. Same with ABS, and now electric, unless you want to start manufacturing busses yourself, it's not gonna be a choice by then.
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It's insane to ban e-bikes though since most of those come from reputable sources who are internationally recognized bike manufacturers. The people who made my electric bike also make professional bicycles for Olympians. Pretty sure the battery is reliable and isn't going to explode.
My bike has fallen into a swimming pool while switched on (don't ask) and nothing happened. Literally it didn't even register anything had happened it just carried it on.
My bike has fallen into a swimming pool while switched on (don't ask)
You're not the boss of me. What happened?
The bike felt the battery heating up and wanted to cool down
That's why I never buy sapient vehicles. That and the whole "is this slavery?" issue.
Yours may be fine.
Barry Shitpea's £100 dodgy 2000W temu special may not. And you can't expect a bus driver to inspect every bike to only let reputable brands on.
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Hey just wanted to let you know, I've read every single post in this community and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future every night before bed when I use lemmy to claw some precious time back from the eternal grind.
Thanks for posting.
I'm glad you're enjoying these. I'll keep logging in to post greentexts until I forget.
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I second this, it's nice to come here every few days and read through all the new posts. :)
People used to say the same about cellphones.
I remember one episode where a girl in the bus was texting and some old lady got up to tell her that "it will go into the engine". The old lady was terrified.
That reminds me of something.
Also on a bus. There was a group of girls on the bus and they were having a big loud argument about whether or not one of the group would receive a text from her partner or friend or whatever because "how would the text know where they were, as the bus is moving".
My city bans bikes from buses because of the space they take up. Scooters and folding bikes are ok only if they're folded up small enough not to be obstructive.
The really shitty thing is that bikes are allowed on trains. But if the trains are unavailable and get replaced by a rail replacement bus...because it's a bus, you can't take your bike.
Most of the buses where I am have a bike rack attached to the exterior, I’ve definitely taken that for granted.
I've heard that they used to have those here. But that they took too long to put your bike onto, causing buses to fall behind schedule. So they got rid of them.
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Funnily, here in my City in Germany, they only banned E-Scooters because of the battery exploding thing but E-Bikes are okay
I was until now unaware that there were places where (non-folded) bikes were allowed on buses. On trams and trains sure, but buses have such limited space that I can't imagine a bike being transported in them.
I have seen in more than one place a bicycle rack attached to the front of the bus to allow a few bikes
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in defense of the bus, the battery pack in the bus is likely heat shielded and isolated to prevent fires from being a massive risk.
Yeah and it is high quality and regularly inspected but if you bring random aliexpress chinesium scooter who knows what kinda shortcuts were used to get it under 300 dollars
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I cannot have my own nuclear reactor, but the state can build nuclear power plants, wheres the fairness, wheres the freedom
You just need to stop telling yourself you can't do things and do whatever you want. A child could build a nuclear reactor, so what's stopping you?
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Tbf the manufacturing standards for plenty of e-scooters and -bikes can be pretty iffy sometimes, and people abuse them in ways that can increase the likelihood of issues. I concede that the vast majority of electric personal transportation devices that go up in flames usually happens during charging. A public transportation bus has to meet higher standards than a mono wheel scooter off of AliExpress.
(Imo they should be allowed on, but I can see the point in not doing so)
I'm not gonna say bike batteries explode all the time but I will say I worked at an ebike company and they had an entire department dedicated to handling exploding battery lawsuits.
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Slight difference in build quality, wouldn't you say?
It does happen. Not like the bus driver has time to check the battery has all its relevant safety certs.
Meanwhile, TSA: no water bottle for you. Bring a cell phone, laptop battery, and a spare 20,000 mAh backup battery (of dodgy provenance no less)? Sure no problem.
Me with an e-scooter charging at home:
I was looking up e-scooters and a bunch of 1-star reviews pointed out how their battery caught fire.
Could have been fake reviews by competitors but either way, it freaked me out.
A lot of them will be fine but some of them are cheap knockoffs and they have unsafe wiring. It's not actually the batteries themselves as they'll probably be the same batteries it's the way the batteries are connected up that makes them more likely to explode.
Unless you are Samsung in which case it 100% was the batteries at fault not the wiring.
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It's certainly an issue with some of them. I wouldn't buy a random no name one from alibaba. It might be safe. Or not.
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If it's a cheap one, only charge it while home or somehow isolate it from flammables. Keep a fire extinguisher nearby always.
An extinguisher that can actually handle Lithium fires though. A regular CO2 extinguisher wont do anything against burning Lithium
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Assumably the bus company would be buying the bus from a company with better quality control then the Chinese ones. There were some knockoffs "hover boards" that catch on fire and that Chinese bus fire.
Battery Management Systems aren't some new, developing technology. We know how to safely manage Lithium battery, it's just the certain manufactures are cheaping out on the battery packs and BMS. People didn't all stop using their phones because of the Note7 fires. People didn't stop driving cars because of the Ford Pinto. They need to get over their EV fears and be more discerning
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Now that's a great green text
Cheap eBike batteries have and do set on fire though. Sounds pretty terrifying.
There is a clip circulating recently of a guy in China carrying his e-bike battery into the elevator. Than that thing explodes and the guy dies in a sea of flames. Yeah carrying a cheap high capacity li-ion pack into a enclosed space is not a good idea.
To be fair, there may not be another option if he needs to get that to his flat and there's no ground storage.
Horrifying.
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There's a video circulating few days ago of electric scooters on a truck delivery catching fire. The funny thing the fire happened right under an Ioniq 6 billboard.
In Northern Ireland during the Troubles, people put (time)bombs on busses and when the bus driver heard about it, he just went and lifted it off the bus and put it in a ditch at the side of the road and informed the police. Couldn't be bothered with evacuating the bus in the middle of nowhere.
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Electric busses not always have batteries, they're also busses that connect directly to the power source like trolies
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