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Uncharted (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
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[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Uncharted? Don't we have a whole war that charts what happens?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nonono, that was the National Socialist Party, duh!

/s

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, one of the national parties stems from The Left Party and is still social, basically the ideology of the wing that gave the NSDAP their name, even though they didn't play a role in the party later on. I know the rules, no spoilers in this sub, so I will leave it here.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Extremely charted. I think someone forgot that the History Channel exists.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't think the American History Channel is the high quality historic source we should be citing here.

That thing seems to be all aliens and bigfoots these days. I wouldn't believe anything they try to teach me haha.

Feck knows what they're smoking at that production company.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That was part of the joke... Even the history channel has extensively covered the rise of the Third Reich

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You mean Hitler is aliens?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Yeah once people knew the story they needed a plot twister

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

So nazi germany, before starting WW2, built the pyramids and then fabricated all their history using alien tech?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

AfD: "You and me, baby ain't nothing but Nazis. So let's do it like they do on the history chanel..."

🎶🎶🎶

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Uncharted? Didn't we already fight two world wars because of a far right Germany?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 months ago (2 children)

One. The other one was monarchists battling it out "for the last time".

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, for most of the monarchs that was the last time!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Some took longer than others.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

She died 2 years ago and her replacement still isn't on my money

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

And the world was better for it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

We should have another go. Let's put all the remaining Monarchs on earth in a type of Royal rumble until there's one winner.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Let's add the kleptocrats this time around... And all they get are sticks and stones.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Throw in the billionaires for good measure.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Didn’t we already fight two world wars because of a far right Germany?

The first WW was more Germany committing the unconscionable crime of trying to keep up with British / French Colonialism. The second was a direct result of the WW1 winners tolerating/facilitating German fascists as a counterweight to the boiling over of Eastern European communist movements.

Right up until Adolf invaded the Rhineland, the UK and the US and France were all on board with German fascists and their crusade to crush the Soviet influence in their local politics. Hell, even the antisemitism was largely in-vogue. 1930s Western Europeans were broadly in agreement that Jewish people were a pest to be ghettoized and resource to be exploited. That's why so many Jewish refugees were denied entry to the western hemisphere in the run up to the Holocaust, in stark contradiction to the number of Nazis who were afforded Rat Lines into the Americas following the war.

I'd argue the Far Right in Germany was much more a symptom of 19th century colonialism and 20th century orthodox capitalism than the explicit cause of the wars. They were the tip of the spear aimed at naive people in Africa, East Asia, and Latin America. They only became a problem when their fascist ideologies returned to the imperial core.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The war reparations that France demanded of Germany post WW1 contributed to creating an economic environment where the rise of a 'National Socialist' party seemed like a good idea to the average German. IIRC, America and Britain tried to get France to be more reasonable and France basically said "I'll keep whipping until they stop crying" The Dawes plan helped provide European stability at the end of the 20s, but the crushing debt was used by Hitler as a tool in his rise to power.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Reparations had a perverse impact on the respective economies, though. Turning Germany into a debtor nation caused the country to undergo a rapid industrialization, partly financed by those same reparations payments. Meanwhile, the WW1 winners got to glut themselves on German industrial produce while their own economies stagnated.

The Dawes plan helped provide European stability at the end of the 20s, but the crushing debt was used by Hitler as a tool in his rise to power.

Hyperinflation in Germany while every other nation was suffering deflation caused German export markets to surge. Hitler rode the downturn into office, but what really paid off for him was the sudden surge in demand for German goods (and subsequent German manufacturing). The modern industrial German state is a byproduct of that rapid industrialization.

But the industrial explosion also created a great deal of ecological destruction and a ravenous hunger for cheap raw materials and slave labor. Hitler operated as the ideological mouthpiece of the German industrial state, helping to form the rationale for a land grab in Eastern Europe and a press-ganging of the proles. But it was this industry surge, combined with the American financial capital that profited from distribution of German workhouses, that really boosted Hitler from one bigot PM among a dozen to the head of a metasticizing cancer of imperial conquest.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Nononononononono, the two WWs are fundamentally different and should not be conflated, because that cheapens the horror of the NS regime/ third reich.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s extremely charted: Berlin moves to the right and ends up in Poland. Basic history and geography.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, this isn’t uncharted at all.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

Only thing that could make that poster look more Nazi is a big swastika at the top

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

You’re kidding me

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The result of neoliberalism, increasing wealth inequality, decades of lies and misinformation in mainstream media and refugee streams triggered by unnecessary wars and climate change.

It is INEVITABLE that Europe is going to become more and more fascist and it has nothing to do with Germany specifically. UK is arresting people for posting online about the genocide in Palestine. France is rather doing a coup than let actual socialists rule. This is the inevitable result. Nothing can change this now. Prepare for it. I'm going to build a boat.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's an east-west problem, Nazis are especially big in former eastern Germany. Since smart young people leave the area, the loud minority of authoritative complainers increases. They completely lack empathy and are unable and unwilling to change their lives. They only want to drag everyone down and project their self-hatred about that on others. Of course, they also hate on people who want to change sth. for a better future in this area. Those idiots are still the minority, but it must be harderband harder for the normal people to live with those idiots, especially on the countryside.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's exactly the same with the American south, anyone with an education escapes as fast as they can, leaving the uneducated poor who are recruited by the historical landed gentry through racism.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

this is just colonial tradition: seeing territory that has clearly been occupied and still acting like you're the first to discover it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Looks like they found the chart

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can we just start killing nazis and fascists again?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I never stopped !

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

notice how none of them have head hair?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

WTF, Germany? Last time you were a war torn country with the economy in the shitter, what’s the excuse this time?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

uh.... Volkswagen is uh... kinda struggling?and... look I don't know

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

It's just something to do, you know?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Only uncharted because the last batch of charts were likely burned during sacking of berlin

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

i mean... Every day is technically uncharted territory, given that time doesn't exactly stop moving forwards.

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