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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Tech bros saying anti ai is ableist is the same energy as when white liberals do that “speaking over a black woman eh??” Anytime some is like “genocide is bad” to Kamala.

One of my good friends has a disabling birth defect and is still a very talented painter in spite of it and it annoying to see such artists be tokenized so that the most brain dead, morally bankrupt, talentless tech bros can snort through their Tuesday bag and try to justify their useless theft machine

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Miyazaki also has a disabled friend. I’m not sure what the extent of his exposure to AI is, but some dorks showed him AI for some lifeless zombie corpse flopping around and he scolded them for offending life itself and they were on the verge of tears lol miyazaki-laugh

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago

God that clip is pure kino

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

One of my good friends has a disabling birth defect and is still a very talented painter

I mean, I dont agree with NaNoWriMo citing ableism as a reason to allow AI but.

Doesnt this point have the same energy as "Half Cordinated is good at Dark Souls so therefor video games don't need accessibility features?"

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 weeks ago

Who would have thought that the organization that encourages people to write fast would encourage taking shortcuts?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

a marketing genius at NaNoWriMo thinks that the inflated numbers from the first AI rip at the event will somehow outweigh the negative PR of completely defeating the purpose of your raison d'etre.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It will make it a lot harder for anyone's work to be read at all, in much the same way that it's basically impossible to find a food recipe on the internet that doesn't have layers of SEO "this is my quirky vacation experience" shit in it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not long ago, I looked up a recipe in fr*nch. Surprisingly, it was just a 1-paragraph description, and then the recipe. Maybe this trend is language-specific?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It might be!

In Burgerland, searching in English under any search engine I know of requires you to sift through a bunch of uplifting life lessons learned by being really affluent and vacationing a lot where you have authentic experiences sipping authentic tea with authentic and exotic people. maybe-later-honeyus-foreign-policy

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Okay, let's try this with the other language I can babble in.

Here is a simple, 5-ingredient, one-pan recipe.

And here is the same recipe in an English-language site. I suppose that reading it will be easier and quicker because it's in-

avgn-horror

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've seen much, much worse. That's actually the least pretentious and bloviating English-language recipe I've seen on the internet in years.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes but the Spanish-language site is like 30 kb, the English-language site is 100 mb or more with the retracting ad frames, video popups, and everything else.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The latter one's purpose is the clutter of bazinga malware, not the recipe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

That's an excellent point.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 weeks ago

founded in the Bay Area

Obviously

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

seen-this-one

It's going to be slop slop slop, copies of copies of copies, and if you don't like that you're "ableist," you superstitious emotional meat computer. smuglord

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

We're gonna be several levels deep when AI starts using AI for its reference material...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

We're gonna be several levels deep when AI starts using AI for its reference material...

It's already doing that right now. marx-doomer

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Imagine ai feeding on itself as it also shapes and influences our languages, how would that end up in 10 years

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 weeks ago

I don't see any reason why that isn't already happening, considering the Tiktok model of being recommended something else, then something else, then something else, all with social cues and expectations built right in.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

Like the tower of babel where it's just random strings of words

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

They'll probably have to build in some sort of steganography into every AI generated response (then we'll be able to make decent AI detection tools)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

(I wonder if AI wrote this...)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago

That is a very interesting question!

Indeed, here is a list of points and counterpoints to balance out the question.

I hope this answer was helpful. sus-torment

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 weeks ago

Liberals cynically using inclusive language ✅

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

“Support real artists” is a petty-bourgeois slogan used to keep their monopoly on the means of art production; painters had the same reaction to the invention of the camera. AI is the future, and denying it now is like the ridiculous protests against the introduction of the imaginary number, and before them of the old “imaginary numbers,” negatives.

Yes, it’s classist Ludditism to wholly condemn AI, just as it’s ableism to reject AI when it can be very useful to aid disabled people in work. If you like leisure and development, you like AI. Just look at this amazing image I generated using AI:

Prompt: “Communist Robin (DC comics Robin not the bird please)”

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 weeks ago

lol you almost had me

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

You got me with this

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

God damn, I’ve met this guy in real life and you got my blood pumping lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

There is always an urge to moralize technology, for some reason. The technology itself is not evil, in fact I really like AI a lot, and I couldn't imagine my life without it. Frankly, I do use it in ways that help me cope with ADHD so maybe NaNoWriMo is based (IDK what that company is, what they do, and if they suck ass which being a tech company they likely do).

However the externalities of how AI has been used is awful. First of all, no data center should be allowed to be built without the company also building 2X the energy production in renewables. Then, there is the tech industries general exploitation of labor, and of course the eventuality that the tech will all be used to enforce fascim and genocide (edit: and of course stealing art for training data, which should not be legal. AI companies should be buying the rights to art or employing artists just the same as they pay trainers to produce other training data) and...I hate the industry, but still love the technology.

Hopefully I can learn how to run my own LLM locally, but for now I am a heavy user of the OpenAI API.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I couldn't imagine my life without it.

I don't mean this as a dunk, but I am inacapable of thinking how you couldn't imagine life without a technology that most people (presumably including you) could only start using less than 5 years ago. That's not very long ago.

Hopefully I can learn how to run my own LLM locally, but for now I am a heavy user of the OpenAI API.

You could try out OLlama.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

I dont have anything capable unfortunately. I could use a cloud solution, but right now im just trusting openAI that they dont store data from their API.

I guess i just habitually use it. I dont know, i guess what i mean is if it disappeared i would miss it

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago

dunking on this so hard rn niko-dunk

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

lmao what no materialism does to a MF

anyway every year when nanowrimo starts I'm like "I'm gonna do it!" and then I don't do it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

LLMs at their most innocuous are a glorified spellcheck. I was recently at a conference where some educators remarked about how there was nothing wrong with "check this block of text", but any essay fully generated by a LLM was extremely obvious to catch.

Also a glorified search tool, that we now need to wade through the filler that gets pushed to the top of search engines.

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