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The current version of Pop is based on the 22.04 long term support version of Ubuntu. Its aim is stability, not bleeding edge.
Also - ubuntu back-ports security fixes to older packages. So that keepassxc is likely not vulnerable. The package version will be something like "2.6.6-ubuntu3" to indicate that.
You are "not" using a flatpak, but you should and it would solve all your problems. It's the way of the future even if you read some FUD about it online.
Why won't you use Flatpak? That's exactly what it's for.
Flatpak is not Snap. Snap is the evil one.
AFAIK pop! is not aimed to be a more cutting-edge distro like fedora. It is meant to provide a stable base with the up-to-date version of the software installed by a packaging format, like flatpak, appimagr, or snap.
If you dont want to use these packages, then you will need to face the tradeoff between the stablity of the base system vs using not up-to-date apps.
Why does it matter? What are you missing? Numbers on a screen? It's not that old. Everything works perfectly fine. Use Flatpak if you want the latest version of a desktop application.
i mostly worried about keepass for vulnerabibity and virt-manger not getting the latest qemu/libvirt update... but i agree to you, these package aren;t that old.
22.04 LTS will receive security updates until 2031. That's what the L in LTS means. Ubuntu backports security patches, and occasionally bug fixes, for their core, server, and enterprise customers. You can't compare Ubuntu versions of software because most of them contain patches.
There's no problems, everything is completely fine! Let's assume OP has no legitimate reasoning.
I can easily assume you have no idea what LTS means. Nor apparently do you realize that we frequently update the core system software in Pop. Our kernel, firmware, and drivers are newer than what most Linux distributions have. Same goes for Pipewire, Lutris, Virtualbox, etc.
I do know what LTS means and I also am aware of how frequently Pop updates these things, I just prefer not assuming that OP has zero reason for asking and find solutions and explanations more productive.
Posts like these demanding that we rebase are not constructive, and will not be well received.
I'm tired of seeing these accusations lately that we don't update Pop!_OS even though we are constantly updating packages and release new ISO's every week or two. In addition to the constant steam of security updates from Ubuntu, which will continue to support 22.04 until 2031.
We make ~30 ISO releases every year to enable hardware support for the latest hardware. Every new System76 product ships day one with a new Pop!_OS ISO on the website containing all of the latest updates we made to backport the latest kernel, firmware, drivers, mesa, zfs, etc.
There's a person here making weekly package update posts. Follow those, or the pop-os/repo-release GitHub repository directly.
Thank you for all the work you and the team put into updates for Pop!_OS. While I am on older hardware I still appreciate that we are getting updates to continually improve the distro regularly. Things like the pop scheduler are not visible but make big differences in the day to day experience.
You always have the freedom of clone the src and compile the latest version yourself. Or if you want the package manager do the job, use distrobox and make an Arch container
They're spending all of their time and effort on cosmic. This is why I don't recommend Pop_os to anyone anymore, not until cosmic is complete and released to the public.
That is simply not true.
See the code of conduct on the side. Criticism must be constructive. This is not only false, but ridiculous. Half of my hours are spent on Pop!_OS packaging and community.
Fair enough, but why is pop_os almost two full OS releases behind Ubuntu?
Do you not know what LTS is?
is pop going to base on Lts moving forward, like mint, or its too early to say?
Mint is based on LTS and they release two versions a year and update their package base. I respect what the pop_os guys are doing, which I guess includes you, we need more modern DE's besides gnome and KDE. I know what LTS is, it's just odd that you guys haven't updated pop_os for over a year, and the last time I used an OS that did the same thing, Solus, the whole project went to shit. I'm on endeavourOS now, but I've been keeping an eye on the progress of cosmic hoping to see an updated version of pop because I genuinely love the style and look of the OS. If you're updating packages and keeping up to date on as many packages as possible then I definitely retract my original post.
Pop is semi-rolling distro, they don't need to release "point updates", they're not behind Ubuntu at all.
It is not the same 22.04 build from two years ago. It's using the same Ubuntu 22.04 LTS baseline and updates whatever they can with their own repos overwriting Ubuntu, such as mesa, kernel, and drivers. Every updates released to Ubuntu 22.04 LTS repos is made available to Pop users as well.
I just got an update on Pop for kernel 6.4.6 yesterday. Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS is the most recent update and it only uses 5.19 kernel.
What are you talking about? We update Pop!_OS constantly. You're effectively saying all the work I and the QA team do each week is non-existent and pointless. There's a person regularly creating posts with package updates from our pop-os/repo-release repo. There are updates from last week that will be released this week.
Our ISOs are rebuilt every week or so to include all of the changes. Therefore we release ~30 "versions" of Pop!_OS each year. Which is required to ship new System76 products, as they contain the latest hardware on the market at time of release.
So once again, LTS means Long Term Support, which means it actively gets updates for a long time. In this case, until 2031. Security updates from Ubuntu, and various system updates from us that's similar to a rolling release.
That's great, then I stand corrected. I don't use pop on a regular basis so please don't think I'm trying to insult your work, simply stating the perception from the outside. Clearly that's not the case and I'm in the wrong. I also didn't know you rebuild the ISOs every week as again, I don't use pop regularly.
I think most people only look at the gnome version when talking about updates. Then if their distribution ships a year old kernel version they don't even notice. System 76 is taking care of the user experience from the hardware to the software, a bit like Apple does, but in an ethical way, using free software and even open sourcing hardware. I've been running pop since I discovered it (in 2018 i think) and at this point I'm probably biased, but i think its quality is unrivaled. I really hope the release of cosmic will help you conquer all kinds of users, since, as we said, people only look at the desktop environment. About the rebase, ubuntu started stinking and some people won't consider ubuntu derivatives, it's just a perception thing. I see a rebase as a marketing move more than anything, but the return on the investment is probably not there.
thank you
This is one of the reasons why I don't use or recommend Ubuntu or any of its downstream distros.
For major and well supported applications, older versions based off of LTS is perfectly fine.
But tons of stuff on Linux is just better to have latest stable or sometimes even bleeding edge. It would be really dumb for some brand new linux user to have to build from source because the feature or bugfix they want won't be added for another year.
And no, Flatpak is not an end all solution either (although pretty decent at countering this issue).
Probably the number one thing this applies to is gaming. Kernel modules, Proton, wine, their subsequent forks, Emulators, etc. Most of this stuff is already unstable so there's really no benefit to only having access to an older version.