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Also, in b4 fascists start pretending like the Stalinist bootlicker Thalmann hadn't spent the past half-decade backstabbing and burning bridges with the SPD, which had previously been cooperative with the KPD after the establishment of the Weimar Republic.

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Collapse theory is fundamentally a privileged take. It is a position that is impossible to accept without either the assumption that you'd survive, or the assumption that the disproportionate harm to the disadvantaged is worth it for your end goals even if you die too.

Either way, you're declaring that your paradise can and should be built over the bodies of the disemprivileged, and are automatically wrong and a horrible person for even being able to think that way.

You are the exact kind of monster that built the colonialist model of Israel, just insisting that your nation built on the bodies of the innocent will be a more moral one somehow.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Collapse theory is fundamentally a privileged take

It's definitely a white-male-privileged take in the US.

It also just doesn't make sense from a logistics sense -- You want to address the current set of big problems by ... creating more big problems to address with the same/less resources and organizations? Some that are more time sensitive than others?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

You want to address the current set of big problems by ... creating more big problems to address.

Right. There's already a shitload of big problems.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What is this "collapse theory"? I'd like to learn more, but Google is only providing me links about quantum waves.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago

I think the usual term is Accelerationism?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it's the idea that we should accelerate the collapse of society so "our" preferred system can replace it. Doesn't matter who the "our" encompasses.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Then Thälmann was arrested and shot and killed in a death camp 11 years later...

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'd imagine Thälmann was pretty surprised...

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Accelerationism is one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard of.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Right, because if there was enough support for your stance that you could ensure it would prevail in the post collapse struggle, then you could almost certainly achieve it with democratic support instead.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean it is like wanting the cold war to end with nuclear weapons. No one wins and we all die. Even the preppers who built bunkers back then would not survive for long, and this is assuming they survive the initial blasts.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They should have used a genuine Vault-Tec™ vault!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Correct.

"Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil."

You have a duty to ensure the least amount of harm is being done.

Saving three people out of ten is better than saving zero out of ten.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Rewatched the divergent series recently, in the last movie there's an exchange between two characters that goes roughly like this:

"If you only had enough to save one, would you choose a sick, dying old man or the young boy?"

"I wouldn't choose"

"Oh good, now they're both dead."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sounds like Accelerationism. It's stupid, but not fascism.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

if democrats really cared about ppl voting, they would be introducing proportional representation (eg ranked choice) electoral reforms rather then blaming voters for knowing exactly what the democrats are...

that said... hold your nose and go vote if you are in a swing state.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago

if democrats really cared about ppl voting, they would be introducing proportional representation (eg ranked choice) electoral reforms rather then blaming voters for knowing exactly what the democrats are…

There's been considerable momentum towards ranked choice reform in the US in the past few years, most of it through the Dems.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They are.

https://apnews.com/article/rankedchoice-voting-connecticut-lamont-elections-f8514d3ebffedbbfe5a6c50f83690d11

People don’t pay attention and completely ignore their local elections in favor of national. People need to focus more on the local before expecting national changes.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Incidentally, Republicans have also made moves on ranked choice voting. They've banned it in Florida.

https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/09/11/florida-has-banned-ranked-choice-voting-but-advocates-say-theyre-not-giving-up/

But someone will be around to tell me more about how both sides are the same.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They currently don't have the necessary majority in Congress to pass such legislation. The legislation has been proposed, but if the Dems don't control Congress it's not going to happen.

So even if you aren't in a swing state you might want to go out and vote down ballot if you want ranked choice voting.

Also proportional representation is a whole different thing from ranked choice voting.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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