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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Author is painting men as needing forgiveness as if we're just crossing lines like it's our nature.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (9 children)

That's patriarchy baby. Same genesis as "boys will be boys" or basically that males can't control themselves, so society needs adapt to their fickle moods

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Isn't that also the basis of the gay panic defense, that a man loses control of his body in response to being "tricked" into the gay or whatever shit they say.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Same basic logic as the cases where someone ties their victim to a bed, fetches some accelerant, douses them and sets them on fire in self defense.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's the gay panic defense. We have to specify because the police also commonly use a panic defense. Like when they shoot into a crowd and claim someone charged them. (Yes they did that, the NYPD, no they haven't released body cam footage yet, no nobody else is supporting their story)

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago (2 children)

My daughters are wayyyyy more forgiving then my wife.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My wife is wayyyyy more forgiving than my mother lol.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

You guys get forgiveness?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago

yeah yeah, we get it, you have forgiving mothers, nice humble brag.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Why in earth would I compare the woman I'm blasting with my mother?! That's kinda weird.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 days ago

⚠️FREUD ALERT FREUD ALERT⚠️

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

I go in with a lot of fervour myself, but "blasting"?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

This is the kind of bullshit an alcoholic mom posts after she loses custody.

[–] [email protected] 127 points 4 days ago (13 children)

What does this even mean?

"Men lose their mind" = they start shouting and shitting on the floor in disbelief?

"Daughters aren't as forgiving as their wives": forgiving what exactly? Mistakes?

It's like they think they're saying something profound and agreeing with each other but saying nothing of value (as is natural on twitter).

[–] [email protected] 108 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

I think it's speaking about women who "allow" bad behavior.

Like, maybe the man's mom used to do all his chores for him without asking, so he comes to expect it. His wife, who is not his mother, says he has to do his own laundry and maybe puts their foot down about the whole "weaponized incompetence" some men use. The man is surprised, because he didn't expect his wife to be "less forgiving" than this mother, who just gave us and did it for him.

For daughters, sometimes daughters (or just children in general) , as an outside observer to the relationship, can tell that one parent is shit (in this case, the father). While the wife may go, "He didn't meant it, he's just tired," the daughter may not be "as forgiving" and just say he is abusive.

However, I don't think either of these are gender specific. Just depnsends on the dynamic at play.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Good lord the discourse here is about as well as the man or bear discussions.

Something I notice is how everytime someone makes these kinds of criticisms, the counterarguments turn into a pit of semantics and extropolations. As if the original post was a massive research thesis rather than just women venting frustration over the entitlement and danger they're subjected to daily.

You gotta look past the specific wording to see the overarching societal themes, emotions, and issues. It's like those magic eye pictures.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

I thought the funniest part about the man vs bear stuff was women saying how they'd pick the bear because "at least it was honest about wanting to kill me" lmao

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (9 children)

The undercurrent of misogyny is so so rampant on Lemmy, worse even than reddit was. Posts like this bring it right out. I can't believe how many upvotes some of these red-pill-ass comments have. It's really discouraging to see and often makes me too nervous to speak up on women's issues here on Lemmy, lest I be absolutely brigaded.

At least the bear can't use a keyboard and thus wouldn't be able to try and bully me into shutting up on the internet, so there's another instance where I'd choose a bear over a random man.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Half the comments here are shitting on men.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

At least the bear can’t use a keyboard and thus wouldn’t be able to try and bully me into shutting up on the internet, so there’s another instance where I’d choose a bear over a random man.

Absolute mood.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (63 children)

I hate that I have to raise a son in an environment that is becoming so hateful towards men just for existing. I saw a picture of a woman at a protest against a child molester and she had a sign that says "not all men but it's ALWAYS a man" As someone who was molested by a woman when I was a kid, that shit is offensive and aggressive.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Well my mother wasn't forgiving so I guess I'm screwed.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 days ago (29 children)

Look at this point I know more women with unrealistic relationship expectations than men.

The world has changed a ton in the past twenty years. There's been a lot of discussion about toxicity in regards to male gender roles, and fundamentals changes to what's acceptable for a man to expect in a relationship.

There hasn't really been that discussion in women. While many women have perfectly fair expectations, there are a lot of women who will expect a man to completely reject gendered expectations of them, while having a ton of expectations of a man. It's almost a joke among my single male friends that the more vocal someone is about being a feminist, the more likely they'll expect you to pay for the date.

There's also a subculture of women behaving in ways that would be considered objectively toxic a decade ago, but have been normalized due to the whole oppressor/oppressed culture war narrative. I've seen women bail on long term relationships in ways that are 100 percent because they just want to sleep around. I've seen women push their husband into an "ethically polyamaorous" relationship that always is extremely one sided. I've also seen a lot of women with an "I can do better" mentality that nobody in a relationship would have to put up with.

I'm not saying women are universally awful or anything. I'm just saying I think we need to have the same conversation around how women behave that we had in regards to how men behave.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

The same should be true in reverse. Couples should be trying to compassionately make each other better, no matter what gender they are. And kids lose their mind a bit when they realize their parents are humans with faults. I think that's part of where teenage angst and rebellion comes from.

There's no need to gender this unless we want to specifically talk about toxic culture.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 days ago (2 children)

These people never met my mother

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