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I mean Netanyahu keeps crying about people wanting to destroy Israel but... uh... Israel is bordered by two allies and one enemy.
Not even one enemy, Lebanon just wants to be left alone. Israel is using conventional tactics in an asymmetric fight which they know doesn't work. They know it only increases membership in terrorist groups. Israel is destabilizing their region on purpose.
I meant Hezbollah, not Lebanon.
Hezbollah is hostile because Israel keeps massacring, jailing, blockading and depriving of rights their ally. Actually now they're committing a genocide against it.
Hezbollah isn't a country. They are, at best, a political party.
Armed with lots of missiles and soldiers
Yup. I'm not saying they're nice cuddly people. But Lebanon contains other people too.
They're a paramilitary organization with a small country's worth of military power (no air force though). Not trying to defend Israel, or course, but they are an Israeli enemy next to their borders.
Okay so 2 allies, 1 neutral, and 2 enemies. I'm purely just trying to head off the whole, "everyone is Hezbollah" argument I fully expect to see when Israel escalates this.
Hamas doesn't really count in this conversation, I think. Their scale is too small.
Israel obviously doesn't think so
I don't think israel sees any allies. It is enemies and usefull enemies.
I mean that's kind of their problem then.
Come on, bro. We all know the deal. Netanyahu is one of those cretins who considers the two-state solution to be invalid.
Fuck. Israel has never been great, but since the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, I wonder if there's any hope for them being anything other than a rogue fucking state.
Good on Jordan et other signatories for making the offer, but I doubt it has any chance of being accepted.
Not sure I'd trust that guarantee if I was an Israeli...
It's hard to imagine why a cult of genocidal colonizers can't trust outsiders.
I was just thinking because it'd be the ones you'd want guarantees against. It'd be like Russia guaranteeing Ukraine's security or vice versa, neither side would put their faith in such a guarantee.
Yet it's the only way to peace. Germany and France put their faith into each others' guarantees after WW2 and created the EU. Peace is possible.
That peace only came after one side was soundly defeated and occupied. Not sure it makes for a good precendent.
The Arabs have already been soundly defeated and occupied. Multiple times.
TIL Israel has defeated and occupied the 57 Arab and Muslim countries mentioned in the article.
I'm obviously talking about the Palestinians and the Lebanese, duh. And as far as defeat, yes they have defeated also the Egyptians, Jordanians and Syrians, and a few others.
It's not just the Lebanese and Palestinians that we are talking about and they'd have to trust for the guarantees. Obviously the situation is nowhere close to France and Germany post WW2.
This is raising the bar to a ridiculous and silly level. Are you seriously going to argue for ...Algerians, Indonesians and Afghanis being threats? Their immediate neighbours to the south, west and east have normalized relations and are squarely within the Atlantic system. The Saudis and the Gulf states are almost there, too (had it not been for October 7th, this would have already happened). As the Syrians are basically a failed state, the only ones that are left are quite literally the Lebanese and the Palestinians. The influence of Iran hinges precisely on the legitimate grievances of these peoples. Address those, and you got peace. But you don't have the Greater Israel of the Israeli far right's wet dreams.
You are the one who made the comparison though
You were talking about Ukraine and Russia. That's two neighbours. My comparison is reasonable.
I was talking about how neither side actually trusts each other. You were saying with trust peace is possible, but the cause for that peace was that Germany was solidly defeated, occupied and had their arm twisted in the matter. It's not really the same as what the situation is as of now with Israel and Arab world.
I honestly cannot see how the Arab world's arm can be further twisted. Israel is the one doing the ethnic cleansing, if anything it's their arm that needs to be twisted.
That's what I mean, I don't think it will happen. Security guarantees from each other won't work.
I've seen this episode before!
"Of course we won't invade Ukraine as long as they hand over all their ICBM's"
-a 5'6" inbred yokel in 2014
That sounds like a reasonable comparison, until one realizes that we are not talking about WMDs here, we are talking about the occupied Palestinian territories. Then, your comparison not only falls apart, but is also exposed as a bad faith one.
First, if Israel giving up the territories is similar to Ukraine giving up its WMDs, i.e., an existential threat, then Israel should never do that. I.e., peace is impossible and the two state solution is impossible. The only option left is ... ethnic cleansing and genocide. Is that what you are arguing for?? Be clear about what you say. Because I don't think you are arguing for the dismantling of the apartheid regime in all of greater Israel: one state from the river to the sea with equal rights for everyone.
Second, Israel actually has WMDs and would be keeping them after the establishment of a Palestinian state. So, if anything it would be in a stronger position than Ukraine, heaving the guarantee from its neighbours and its own WMDs to fall back to.
Third, you are comparing Israel to Ukraine. This casts Israel as the victim, the one that is subjected to occupation and violation of its integrity. The opposite is true. Israel is the occupier, the oppressor and the violator international law.
So, no, your comment doesn't stand to scrutiny.
How well do you think the Arab politicians can control the actions of every Arab individual?
My only facsimile is the things my government has made illegal (things they don't want citizens to do). Citizens doing these things (and getting caught/fined)is fundamental to the policing structure here.
Crime still happens, regardless.
So how well will the Arab world follow this order should it come?
My guess; about as well as any other government has wrangled crime; Not very effectively.
You can call it bad faith, but I don't trust politicians whether or not they're aligned with Palestine.
So you're basically saying here is an impossible standard. And then are sad that your impossible standard is not meant.
Say openly what you think is a resolution here buddy. Come on, don't be shy.
Ukraine had nukes, left over from the Soviet days. They were handed to Russia.
Yeah that statement clearly got outdated as soon as it was stated. Because 2014.