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The Alternative for Germany (AfD) has gained ground in three recent state elections, caused an uproar in the Thuringian parliament and triggering another debate on whether to ban the party outright.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

I mean I do think banning them is a good idea, and in general I think nazis should be taken on helicopter rides, most especially the enablers of nazis, their financial leash handlers which basically bootstrap them into these positions in order to push the dialogue further rightward in service of corporate interests, and probably also in this case in service of "geopolitical security" since we're going to be seeing oncoming climate refugees in the coming years, and combatting that in any way but increasing the security apparatus is off the table.

More than that, though, I worry that realistically just banning them, though a great temporary measure, won't do much, say, five years or a decade down the road, because it's not gonna solve the core hypocrisies and discrepancies that neoliberalism is not so keen to solve. If you want to actually solve this problem long term then you need to combat those core problems. Instead, though, I think that probably the party being banned will just see them either form a new party, or else tone down their rhetoric to an acceptable degree, or just join the next furthest right party and then decide to push them further right, and so on and so on, until we've all collectively just shifted rightward to an incredible degree.

Ad nauseam, et cetera, regardless of the political apparatuses at work, until collectively the western world plummets towards fascism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

So, for the sake of argument, if AfD is banned would they not just became a paramilitary group?

What's to stop them from devolving into something more 'nefarious' if they are stripped of political power?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What stoped the kpd? Or the groups that wanted to rebuild the NSDAP? Would you rather have them pull the strings instead? I mean yea a ban could be dangerous, but letting them take over the justice system, the finances and police of Germany seems like a horrible second option.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Oh I'm not advocating for letting them remain in a position of political influence.

I'm asking what mechanisms beyond simply banning them will need to be implemented? I'm thinking banning them is only a bandage solution.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm guessing they'd still be under observation after they get banned because of exactly that and I also think there's steep step between political engagement and serious criminal activity.

But that gets decided by a court and as a German I think the judiciary is the most trustworthy of the three powers. I think if it even comes to that they deal with the motion in a sensitive way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

I am not a German, so I appreciate you explaining that to me. As an American I'd love to say the same about our judiciary.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

We, Germans, cannot allow 30 Jan 1933 to 08 May 1945 to repeat itself. Also, the communists in "Die Linke" can go straight to hell with the neo-Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

What are you talking about lol

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck you trying to separate the left. That's what happened last time and that's what didn't work last time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Nah, Russia's fuckbuddys can go straight to hell regardless of their political side.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

or sell thüringen and bayern to the lowest bidder...would work for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

LOL! The damn Austrians would snap up Bayern. As far as Thüringen goes, break it up equally for the neighboring provinces to govern.

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