Biden hasn’t done shit to reign in Israel or show any indication of stopping support for a genocide, why would it matter what he says here when it’s not under his control.
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Versus Trump, who would happily nuke Iran
So? They'll do it anyways and he won't give a shit.
Biden says he won't support a lot of shit that Netanyahu does. Then Biden goes on to support the same shit he said he wouldn't support, without condition or hesitation.
They don’t care Biden, they know you’ll keep shipping missiles so they don’t care.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/13/evangelicals-israel-gaza-republicans/
It's the evangelical trash desperate to end the world because only then will Jesus drop by in his spaceship to pick them and their families up while leaving the evil libruls to burn for interfering with such God-ordained policies as Jim Crow.
Scourge the southern baptist filth from office and you'll suddenly find the country actually has decent people in it.
The only thing that might drop by is a nuke
Uh, bombing one of Iran's nuclear sites seems like a great way to find out if they've actually figured out nukes or not.
Please don't. Please. Fucking. Don't.
...which of course means they will.
nuclear warheads have an arming process that makes them active.
after all, you wouldn't want armed nuclear warheads sitting inside your country would you?
You're assuming Iran doesn't sling one at Israel intentionally in retaliation for targeting their nuclear program.
Iran would never do that because they are literally in the fallout zone. if they did it would be their last resort, and even then it would be an act of MAD.
Nuclear explosions are difficult to propagate; there’s a balance between too much boom to scatter the fissile material and too little boom to fail to compress enough for a runaway nuclear reaction. It’s one of the key steps to making an actual bomb when you have the material to do so.
So don’t stress about that, stress about the next 20-40 years world wide.
That's kinda the opposite of what I've heard. Making a really basic nuke is easy, it's getting the material (which Iran has, mostly), and making one of the city-flatteners that's hard.
Regardless, my concern is that Iran might decide to throw some nuclear material, functional or not, at Israel in retaliation for bombing their nuclear program.
I don't think it matters what he supports at this point
Biden's refusal to do anything, out of this constant fear of "escalation," is both damaging our standing with our allies, and is emboldening our enemies by sending the message that the US is asleep at the wheel.
our allies ... our enemies
Whose allies? Whose enemies?
No thanks on the "nationalist we". I don't care who the state labels as buddy or bad guy. Nationalism is toxic AF.
no it's not.
anyone with eyes can see this is the price paid to have a militarily significant position against the real enemy, Russia.
sure, there is much gnashing of teeth and shouting of change but it's all political theater.
I don’t feel that’s obvious, can you elaborate on your views?
Israel is a strategic location for the US to maintain military power in both the Middle East and northern Europe.
The US has access to nuclear capable weapons in Israel and that keeps Moscow in check.
current leadership in Israel is well known to be sympathetic to Russian influence and is likely tempted by the goal to eradicate all Muslims, something Moscow is likely to allow.
Should Israel defect to Putin's regime, the US would lose military influence and superiority in the area and it would likely set the US back decades.
for Iran to attack Israel, they are forcing the US to make a choice. Publicly commit to be in cooperation with the administration that continuously commits crimes against humanity, or to step away from supporting the admin and thus step away from a strategic point.
Without the support of the US or Russia Israel will fall, it's only a matter of time. at that point Iran is in the best position to take over and they will do so through Iraq and Jordan.
it's in Russian best interests to support both Iran and Israel to fight so the US continues to focus assets on stabilizing Israel instead of Ukraine. To them, it doesn't matter who wins or loses. As long as both Israel and Iran play Moscow's game, Russia wins.
Furthermore, Russia can use the turmoil and brutal imagery from Israeli forces and sow the seeds of propaganda online of, "look what Joe Biden is doing! Do you want more of this?"
Russia wants a Trump presidency because they get everything they want. They get US out of Israel, out of Ukraine, and would have a singular position in Germany, which is weak when it stands without Israel.
It's pathetic how afraid Moscow is of Harris, especially when they talk a big talk about how big their nuclear dicks are.
I feel a few points above aren’t correct from my knowledge, can we discuss?
Israel is a strategic location for the US to maintain military power in both the Middle East and northern Europe.
I agree Israel provides intelligence to the US, and there are some bases in the country, but I disagree with its importance in the overall power projection, especially with our access to saudi arabia. Also, the us and israel have a love/hate relationship, well demonstrated by the USS Liberty incident.
The US has access to nuclear capable weapons in Israel and that keeps Moscow in check.
The israeli arsenal is generally believed to be american uranium and stolen british nuclear secrets, and is not controlled by the us. Even if the us had some say in the use of this arsenal, this is a pittance of what the us would have available. So this doesn’t strike me as a strong argument.
current leadership in Israel is well known to be sympathetic to Russian influence and is likely tempted by the goal to eradicate all Muslims, something Moscow is likely to allow.
This argument is the most confusing; russia is making close ties to chechen leaders and has muslim countries in its sphere of influence. Israel just bombed a russian weapon depot, and the putin regime is denouncing israelli actions of late.
I agree trump would be best for russia (and israel actually, his isolationist policies are horrible for us power projection), but russia needs iranian weapons to support its ukraine war effort. Iran at war will cause shahed deliveries to be redirected and hurt russia’s ability to degrade ukranian air defenses and infrastructure. Russia seems to be playing a soft political support for iran and the muslim countries because there is no cost to do so, and I feel your argument about their preferring a fight to weaken the democrats is a good one, just not with one of their major weapon suppliers in their current war efforts.
A Trump presidency means US out of Israel and Iran? How so? Trump and his advisors have done way more to hawk a war with Iran than Biden/Harris. Trumps actions while in office were also very supportive of Israel and antagonistic to Palestinians, leading to more attacks on Israel and more US involvement.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/13/evangelicals-israel-gaza-republicans/
The only way we got Ukrainian aid was by passing Israeli aid.
I don't like it either, but it's a price I'm willing to pay to stop Russia and China from expanding their despotism.
I know you disagree and would rather sell Ukraine down the river for Gaza, and good for you, but if Ukraine fell in 2012 domestic pressure on Xi to take Taiwan would be unstoppable, and this is exactly how WW2 started, momentum, we need to make invasion too expensive to contemplate.
You were doing very well until you started telling me the views you planted to argue against.
The only way we got Ukrainian aid was by passing Israeli aid.
Yes, that's the problem. Why not fund the defense of ukraine and palestine?
I don’t like it either, but it’s a price I’m willing to pay
You're willing to collaborate with genocidal fascists? Gross.
to stop Russia and China from expanding their despotism.
Fascism won't stop fascism. This isn't a baseball game. Grow up.
Thanks for telling us you have no nuanced intelligence, monochromatic imbecile.
You're willing to collaborate with genocidal fascists? Gross.
There's something wrong with you, I don't know if it's ignorance or what.
We sided with Stalin against Hitler.
Fascism did stop fascism, very well in fact, it's one of the few things that does because only fascists are willing to spend lives like they are.
US Gov: Israel, We most definitely do not condone a bombing of these exact sites, here, here and.. yeah here and here too, which may or may not contain nuclear weapons. Definitely do not use this cartoonishly large crate of missiles to do that. Also, let us know when you've not done that, we might have followup questions and info on other sites you definitely shouldn't bomb.
All politics aside what would they strike when they say nuclear facilities? Idk shit about the physics of a nuclear bomb so I ask how would they know they aren't igniting a nuclear bomb in these strikes? Are they just bombing everything around the missile silos?
Nuclear bombs are pretty precise affairs.
Even the relatively simple “gun type” fission bombs require a precisely sized core of nuclear material to be encased in a neutron reflector to get an explosion instead of just a ball of hot uranium.
An implosion type bombs is more powerful but requires conventional explosives to be set off in a sphere around the core at exactly the right time, this compresses the sphere, increasing reactivity, and making it explode.
If the shape or timing is wrong, you just get a nuclear meltdown, not an explosion.
So bombing a nuclear bomb isn’t likely to set it off, it’s only likely to make the area it’s stored in uninhabitable for a few thousand years.
Either way, not a very good idea. Also, pretty sure bombing any kind of nuclear facility is considered a war crime, as it will horribly wound or kill way more civilians than anything else.
Oh no! Will he do a Susan Collins frown and then keep supplying the very weapons he KNOWS will be used to do it again? He's so MEAN to the fascist apartheid regime! 😭
It's been almost a year of this BS. Everybody knows Genocide Joe is a zionist clown who won't do sh^t.
True much better for Trump to let Israel and Russia to “finish the job” on day 1. Imbecile.