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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

The opposite end of “The most expensive thing is to be poor”.

It’s a common image for so many millionaires to have a Scrooge McDuck vault, but that’s the thing; so often their millions are out earning them further millions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

This is such bullshit advice. Instead of doing this, we could invest that money in a 16% bond and make 40k a year. Simple hack they don’t you to know.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago

Yes and good luck finding a 8% treasury (and please let me know if you do) 😆

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 hours ago

This is a person who doesn't understand how the fixed income market works.

He's assuming he's buying $3m notional of a bond yielding 8% and paying for the face value $3m (i.e., he's buying it at par). This is not how it works, even if you're somehow subscribing at issuance as a retail investor.

You're going to be buying the bond at bid, which is going to be higher than par when prevailing future yield expectations are lower than the coupon rate of the bond.

TL,DR: You can't buy $3m of a high-yielding sovereign bond for $3m today. You'll get less of the bond for the money if it's yielding more than the market is expecting base rates to be in the future.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Show me where I can get a bond at 8%.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Brazilian bonds are paying 10.5%

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

But I don’t have a Brazilian dollars :(

[–] [email protected] 26 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't buy Twitter and saved over $40B now I don't have to work my entire life

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago

The real LPT is in the comments once again

[–] [email protected] 13 points 14 hours ago

Hey if you don't have 3million stuck between your couch then that's your problem.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

What a silly post...

First, where are you going to find a 8% treasury bond? Even a few months ago, when they were giving record yields, it didn't even get close to that.

Second, if you borrow $3m with high interest rates (needed to get high yield treasurys) you'll also pay a high rate on your loan. Duh.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Pretty sure the post assumes you have $3m just sitting in your bank account.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 13 hours ago

Even then there's no investment with guaranteed 8% interest.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Sweet, I just need a small, interest-free loan of 3 million dollars and I'll pay you back $10,000 a month for 300 months. Don't believe me? Here, check out my credit report.

Credit report: trust me bro

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The remaining $10000 will only be worth 2500 in 30 years time, assuming 5% inflation per year...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

Whose side are you on here, me the plucky underdog, or some multimillionaire with money to burn

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 day ago (4 children)

A treasury bond delivering 8% is probably one from a dangerous country to invest in.

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[–] [email protected] 134 points 1 day ago (14 children)

I just walk to the 7/11 and buy a scratcher. I never win anything but I could make at least $100,000 in just one day!

[–] [email protected] 135 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I know you're joking, but I used to work at a convenience store and the scratcher addicts were the most depressing part. I guess I should be grateful that the store I worked at wasn't in an area where more depressing kinds of addicts would be around.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I used to work at a liquor store that had a lottery machine (scratch offs, state lotto) and yea the addicts were pretty depressing. This was a liquor store so we had sadder ones, but still.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I remember one day walking into a 7/11, in maybe 2002, and there were 2 guys in suits, totally dishevelled, collars undone, looking like they've been awake for 3 days, depression coating their faces, and they had a stack of scratch tickets that they were silently just scratching off.

The story I have in my head is that their business fell apart and this was some past ditch desperate attempt to save it with the little money they had left. I have no idea what actually happened but here we are 20+ years later and I still think about them occasionally.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 day ago (11 children)

The one thing that going to a real casino taught me is that, despite what Hollywood would have us believe, casinos are not full of impeccably dressed classy people, but very old retirees that look like they only have a few years left to live, and disheveled men who look less well dressed than me in my PJs at home, who are gambling away large sums of money in a fit of anxiety and addiction.

Really depressing crap.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (10 children)

And yet Donald Trump still managed to lose money somehow, which should have really told us something about his supposed "business accumen".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Oh yes. The bankruptcy of Trump's casino was a thing to behold. I wish I could find the video of the people who worked with him back in the day as they all remarked as to just how absolutely ignorant he was about all aspects of both gambling and managing a casino.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

But with the power of daddy's money, he "earned" his position as CEO/owner nonetheless!

Which is already so cringe it hurts, but then to turn around and use that to prove how "well" Trump - not daddy, but himself - could run the entire nation...

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As a nation, we deserve our fate I suppose.:-( We should do better. We need better. We won't survive unless we aim to be better.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That makes me think of the chinese guys that took cash from the bank they worked at to buy lottery tickets. The idea was to use the winnings to pay back the money and keep the rest.

They got lucky and it worked the first time. Then they decided to try again and lost.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Bank_of_China_robbery

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

So I know this is satire but I wouldn't buy a us bond. I would much rather buy one from a stable country.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

The US economy is like the most stable economy in the world. And they don't double tax you, depending on where you live and the tax treaty.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (5 children)

We have had 2 assassination attempts on someone running for the highest public office in the country in 3 months. One of the people currently running for office who has a chance at winning tried lost the last election they were in and then tried to take over the government by force.

Our country is not stable.

I would much rather invest in a more stable country like Sweeden or Switzerland.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago

Just 10 or 12 years ago or so, the US and EU had comparably sized economies. Today the EU economy is between 25% to 30% smaller than the US one. And yes, I include the UK in the EU calculations just to prove the point. The reason? Higher stability and growth on average. What might seem like small differences on a year-on-year basis add up and prove to be quite substantial in terms of decades.

So you can invest in Swedish and Swiss bonds and/or companies if you want, but chances are you're gonna lose out compared to person investing in US-based entities.

Sincerely,

An EU citizens who is sick of hearing Americans bashing their own country based on ignorance. There's plenty of reasons to be upset with and critical of the US. But an unstable economy is not one of them, relatively speaking. Get your facts straight.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

Politically, maybe, but economically, the US remains a major powerhouse, and if nothing else, that might be the sole factor that makes them try to keep things stable.

It's one of the few things much of the wealthy and the not-so-wealthy tend to both want, particularly for those who have a decent amount of wealth tied up in the American market, and a fair amount of money might be spent to that end.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

Oh wow tell me more about Sweeeden. What knowledge do you have that makes you think that tiny economy is more stable than the US economy?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

But a lot of european countries are pushing pretty hard to not borrow and have a zero balance or positive budget. So e.g. Switzerland don't sell that many bonds and yield on a lot of them is 0.5%, maybe 2% on long term ones vs around 4% for US ones.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Oh and 3 seconds on Google proves you wrong. Switzerland is the best and most stable economy and country in the world... again. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-09-06/steady-switzerland-is-once-again-the-worlds-best-country

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

That article brushes over many things, like some of the big contributors to the economy being straight up amoral organisations that will do anything for money.

Nestlé, facing constant boycotts for things like the formula scandals, their damage to the rainforests, and so much more.

Big pharma running what you could call price rackets.

Banking sector which will happily take money from arms dealers and the like and turn a blind eye to that.

That all gets you a very profitable economy, sure, but not all is rosy.

Then you go to Geneva and somehow, despite all that sweet tax money, you still have buses from the 1980s and public buildings that haven't seen a renovation in the last 60 years. The airport terminal is straight up run down if you compare it to European airports like Heathrow, Barajas, Schiphol...

Then people struggle with the cost of housing - median salary is around 6k CHF (monthly), with 2k of deductions that give you a 4k net. According to rentola.ch, the rental for a 1-bedroom flat in Geneva costs on average 3.2k CHF a month, meaning you need about 3x the median salary (!!) to be able to afford a 1-bedroom flat within the recommended 30% of your salary. Working hours are longer than the neighboring countries.

So yeah, they have a great economy because the numbers are skewed by many-million-francs salaries of the corporations in there. If you're not in a C-suite or visiting as a Sheikh wanting to spend a few millions in Geneva, quality of life is absolutely nothing to write home about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Yeah no, that's not how information literacy works. An article on usnews.com proclaiming Switzerland as the best country in the world based on self-reporting is the opposite of objective. Making an international economics-based comparison takes more than a quick google search. And keep in mind some people actually live in unstable economies. So stop bashing your country for the sake of it.

Sincerely, An EU citizen who has lived in Switzerland and visited the US on numerous occasions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Wait what, Federer is still playing?

And the article didn't even mention the why behind the political stability, low corruption and respectfulness; the half-direct democracy: though not without faults (too influencable through media upheavals), even the 7 presidents are "just doing a special job" and can take public transport.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Since when have treasury bonds gone above 6%?

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