Imagine being an educated Russian 45 year old conscript fighting next to malnourished north koreans.
this post was submitted on 10 Oct 2024
415 points (97.7% liked)
World News
39367 readers
2230 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News [email protected]
Politics [email protected]
World Politics [email protected]
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
Are we assuming the Russian conscript has a higher degree of education than the north Korean?
They're both totalitarian shitholes shoving their own version of lies down their citizens throats.
There are FAR, FAR more well educated Russians than there are North Koreans, let alone Educated North Koreans.
There were reports of Russian soldiers in Ukraine not knowing what an "Automatic Toilet" was. They're grabbing people from so far in the boonies, that they bring in buckets of water to flush their toilets. That also means that either Russian barracks don't have toilets or they're shipping their forces to the front lines without any training.
Wtf is an "automatic toilet?" And how is that a bar for someone's intelligence?
He means they only know how to shit in a hole in the ground. That kind of poverty tends to not go hand in hand with the top educational institutions.
From how understand it, they have toilets in the sticks, but they don't automatically fill themselves. They have a bucket of water that they pour into the toilet to flush it. It's also not so much that they don't have automatic toilets, but that they didn't even know they exist. The poor, wilderness communities that Putin is pulling from are that isolated from the rest of the word. The American equivalent would be the Appalachian people.
Here's a clip of Zelenskyy referencing the toilet situation.
load more comments
(6 replies)
That makes a lot more sense thank you
Yes but I doubt they are getting sent to Ukraine. The ethnic minority regions that Russia keeps dirt poor are sent 70:1 in some cases compared to recruits from Moscow. And I'd bet it's a big ratio also between the well educated and poorly educated in Moscow too.
load more comments
(1 replies)
They are worlds apart yes. Russia actually has an amazing academia network that is suffering greatly from Putins politics. Most recently seen by hundreds of academics having to stop their collaboration with CERN because of the war. Compared to NK, Russia is just a normal country with lots of IT and science nerds.
However if you look at the US and their rural MAGA population, it shows that there can just be a massive rift within the population. And thats what you have in Russia too i would assume.
Much of the respect we have for Russian education goes back to the excellent STEM education they had in the Soviet days. This has largely been eroded away in modern times, and much of the technology and infrastructure they have are being held together by Soviet educated older folks.
I would assume that considering Russians actually have internet.
I'm also going to assume the Russian soldiers are atleast 6 inches taller on average since South Korean soldiers are that much taller than North Korean soldiers.
load more comments
(1 replies)
We've had Russians, North Koreans, and Indians fighting in Ukraine with Chinese supplied weapons against Ukrainians armed with American, Polish, German, British, and other European weapons in a war that's been going on for nearly two years.
Can we call it a World War yet?
Or are we just going to refuse to use the word until nukes are dropped?
We can also throw in the Middle Eastern theater for good measure too if that's not enough.
Seems to me that it's just part of the proxy war that the world powers have been fighting pretty much constantly in an Oceania/Eurasia/Eastasia kind of way since 1945.
Orwellian comparison hits here
I’d say the situation is a lot closer to the Spanish Civil War, tbh. A lot of countries sent expeditionary forces and volunteers to assist one side or the other, including Russia and Nazi Germany (who kinda used the conflict as a proving ground for the concept of combined arms doctrine we know as “blitzkrieg”).
The comparison certainly makes sense. Awesome, that means we’re just a few years shy of a world war.
Yeah but just think 40 years later we’re gonna get some sick movies and video games
If you make it through the likely multiple genocides and conscriptions.
360 noscoping russians as a wallrunning Ukrainian super soldier.
load more comments
(1 replies)
Not until there are NATO boots on the ground, or NATO recognizes it is at war. Russia is already saying it is, NATO just didn't get the memo yet I guess.
You are right in saying Russia kinda made it a world war. I guess with just the one front it just doesn't feel like it.
load more comments
(2 replies)
We didn't call the cold war a world war and that wasn't in a single country
load more comments
(1 replies)
load more comments
(2 replies)
Yet it is absolutely imperative french troops stray far away 🤡
I find it interesting that the loaned DPRK are operating ballistic missile platforms. Makes me wonder if part of the intention is to skill up some of the army units with combat launching exp, which is not the happiest thought, since NK has a continental US capable truck-launched ICBM since 2017.
Of course the plan doesn’t work if they all get killed by Ukrainian drone attacks, but NK has never been too precious about their rank and file anyway.
It’s going to be hilarious when Russia N. Korea and china have to pull there entire economy together to fight this one little nation and Ukraine ends up marching on every single capital.
That sounds like an epic session of Civ V.
Hilarious? It would be literally fantastic.
load more comments
(1 replies)
view more: next ›