So stoked. Both the breakup and the data remedy are essential to breaking this monopoly permanently. Death to Google
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Pls break android and chrome before election 
And I'm weighing the edibility of my hat
Doubt it will happen but on the off-chance it does…Yes PLEASE.
“I FUCKING HATE SILICON VALLEY!”
“I WANT A LARGE AMOUNT OF COMPETING TECH COMPANIES RUN BY ENGINEERS THEMSELVES AND WANT TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE!”*
- = (Sure, under socialism technology will look vastly different but if we must live under capitalism, I’d like it to be where the execs have some experience with engineering and take pride in their product)
TECH COMPANIES RUN BY ENGINEERS THEMSELVES
At least half of the largest American tech companies are already run by (ex) engineers, that isn't the issue
A company run by ex engineers isn't the same thing as one run by engineers though. The latter is necessarily a coop.
yes but it capitalism money goes up into fewer and fewer hands. and as the companies grow it divides labor more and more due to the necessities of market competition to always grow and so inevitably get to that point, which eventually always ruptures into full stratification between workers and managers/owners and different levels and departments and even between the body engineers into groups for specialized tasks; by the laws of the ever-growing tasks of business, advertising, management and logistics, hiring and scouting, HR and legal (whose interests are not with the workers, and become more and more divorced from them with stratification of management/owners and workers), etc. it all necessarily grows into and creates this. all anti-monopoly actions and laws inevitably fall to the new monopolies, and all trust busting in history meant trusts-again-in-a-couple-decades; and those are not abberations. it's a fundamental problem of capitalism.
Ex-engineers that become management couldn't cut it, that's why they go into management.
They sucked at doing actual work so they get moved out of the way so they can't fuck up the line of business
This is some weird tech bro apologia going on here
Engineers aren't the wholesome nerdy geeks you envision them to be, and there are tons of very competent engineers hold both a true engineering position and a PMC/petite bourgeois level
I didn't say anything about engineers being good people
Never gonna happen but that would be cool.
It's incredible how rapidly and how stark the drop in quality of Google searches have been.
2 years ago you stopped seeing anything relevant that wasn't a shopping link on the first page now with the spread of ai the top results are just dangerous misinformation.
My gf has celiac so we have to make sure everything we buy is totally gluten free. It's wild what kind of stuff you'd never think of has gluten in it. Like there's brands of cheese where the block is OK but you can't get the same cheese shredded because whatever anti-coagulant they use has gluten in it.
I googled "is brand name and product gluten free and the top ai generated answer on Google was "all allergens have to be clearly labeled so unless a product lists that it contains what it is gluten free" which is insanely dangerous misinformation.
And then sure enough half the pace d9wn is the a swer from the manufacturer saying the product is made in the same facility as wheat products so they can't guarantee aga8nst cross contamination.
It's not a never gonna happen situation- they've already been found guilty and the judge is working on the remedy. There is also an active fight over Harris keeping or firing Lina Khan as the FTC chair, and it's leaning towards her staying.
Yea wish I had your optimism. Hopefully the judgement isn't that they clearly violated dozens of laws over the course of decades and so they have to do 40 hours of community service.
That's exactly what happened with Microsoft in 2001 because Bush won
And that happened with the banks because Obama won which was actually way worse and left way more people in ruin; I wouldn't hold your breath. "because bush won" is a big too much credit to either side for being different. They are all financed by these groups and have their cabinets and advisory boards tied to these groups and google is one of the largest institutions in the state department and intelligence apparatuses. And even if anything does happen (if), I'm betting it's going to be a sleight of hand actively overseen by google executives and their advisory-counces-to-government
It would have been probably inadequate under Gore, but even after Bush's slap on the wrist, the Microsoft trial itself was incredibly effective at breaking Microsoft's total stranglehold on tech.
The current argument in favor of her staying is "unregulated treat printers are the future." 
Remember when they broke up the Bell System and we totally got lower prices, better service, and the Baby Bells totally weren’t allowed to all merge back together again? You will.
So here's the thing. Breaking up Bell didn't do anything good because like the T1000 it just reformed again.
But not breaking up Bell, I think would have been worse. It really had run its course and had gone into full rent seeking mode.
At least for a couple years, while the shards of Bell were running around, that opened space for other technologies to get their chance to be tried
You will.
Oh I hated those commercials, even in the 90s.
Proto-bazinga hype.
watch nothing happen. in a real country the state would seize google and then break it up and nationalize it
It should be internationalised. Dunno how people would do that but someone needs to figure out a way. Android, YouTube and the actual Google search engine especially. These should be global public goods/services.
It would be funny if microsoft, apple and amazon join together to lobby in favor of breaking up google to have less competition
They wouldn't because they'd just be next on the block
Please god I want the tumor that is Adsense chopped clean from that motherfucker
...we expect that advertising funded search engines will be inherently biased towards the advertisers and away from the needs of the consumers.
From The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine by Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page, 1998
I'm sure this will go just as well as when they considered breaking up Microsoft.
mmmhm, sure, I find this very possible and likely
I really hope the case continues but I don't see how it does.
If Kamala wins - the case will be dropped.
If Trump wins - who the fuck knows. When he's talking about Google - he could contradict himself in the same sentence. But I pretty sure Google openly and publicly bribes him by buying $25m in Trump coins or whatever. And AG Ted Nugent says "Google did the right thing by bending the knee to President Trump," and the case is dropped.
Don’t be evil
Night in the Woods had some neat poetry about the silicon city. 