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[–] [email protected] 144 points 1 month ago (58 children)

Hey, as long as you don't try to

  • Sell it
  • Claim it's yours
  • Use it instead of hiring professionals if you're a business

not too fussed.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Also don't call yourself an engineer. You're a prompt monkey.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

I made my avatar with AI gen. Shit's perfect for things like that.

Still would pay a real person to make something closer to what I imagine though. I mean .. if I had money that is.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (27 children)

Use it instead of hiring professionals if you're a business

Why wouldn't you though?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because then artists aren't getting paid but you're still using their art. The AI isn't making art for you just because you typed a prompt in. It got everything it needs to do that from artists.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So it's more of an ethical "someone somewhere is probably being plagiarized and that's bad" thing and not really a business or pragmatic decision. I guess I can get that but can't see many people following through with that.

Some people got mad at a podcast I follow because they use AI generated episode covers. Which is funny because they absolutely wouldn't be paying an artist for that work, it'd just be the same cover, so not like they switched from paying someone to not paying them.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Remember when corporations tried to claim that money you didn't spend on their product was theft ? This way of thinking has been recycled by the anti-AI bros.

Turns out all the money you don't spend on struggling artists is not only theft, but also class warfare. You stinking bougie you.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Nearly nobody is arguing against using AI for personal fun.

People are arguing against AI destroying entire career segments without providing benefit to society, especially to those displaced. People are arguing against how it so easily misleads people, especially when used as a learning aid. People are arguing against the enormous resource usage.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's also the fact that it's an ecological disaster when it comes to both carbon emissions and using up potable water.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

That's why, its always good to run them locally(if you use them for fun)

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

My father in law told me how a guy at work created several pictures with AI for decorating the floor, bragging about saving costs since he didn't use licensed pictures. But the AI may have used licensed pictures to learn creating those images. Artists lose money due to this being done by companies, which could very well afford paying the artists. I guess a private person creating memes with AI is not threatening anyone to lose their job.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was gonna go ahead and argue about this, but sadly I have been depicted as a soyjak. My lawyers told me that there is literally nothing I can do about this now

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And that's why you alway pack your Uno-Reverse-Card :P

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't worry, Mr. Mofu, I've got this argument covered for you. Ahem...

*always

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That's great! These things are super fun. Just don't call yourself an artist or try to copyright your generations. That's like pretending to be a musician because you're good at Guitar Hero.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In fairness, I had a college buddy who learned to play real drums by playing a lot of Rock Band. He was no Joey Jordison, but he wasn't half bad.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Aw, that's cute, a drummer thinks he's a musician too? (I kid, that's a running joke in music circles, percussionists are definitely musicians, we'd be lost without them). That's awesome! I suppose expert drumming in Rock Band would be a lot like the real thing. A program like rock band would probably work as a great drum trainer on a real set.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Woah there, he didn't say bassist

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Honestly who cares about being an artist? There's always going to be snobs trying to tear you down or devalue your efforts. No one questions whether video games are art or not now, but that took like twenty years since people began seriously pushing the subject. The same thing happened with synthesizers and samplers in the 1980s and as a result there are fewer working drummers today, but without these we would not have hip hop or house, and that would have been a huge cultural loss.

Generative art hasn't found its Marley Marl or Frankie Knuckles yet, but they're out there, and they're going to do stuff that will blow our minds. They didn't need to be artists to change the world.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If only there was a way to make funny pictures without AI...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The problem with Generative Neural Networks is not generally the people using them so much as the people who are creating them for profit using unethical methods.

As far as I'm concerned, if you're using AI it's no worse than grabbing a random image from the internet, which is a common and accepted practice for many situations that don't involve a profit motive.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Nice Strawman you got there.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Another big argument is the large resource and environmental cost of AI. I'd rather laugh at a shitty photoshop or ms paint meme (like this one) than a funny image created in some water-hogging energy-guzzling server warehouse.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I've gotten arguments that it's theft, because technically the AI is utilizing other artist's work as resources for the images it produces. I've pointed out that that's more like copying another artist's style than theft, which real artists do all the time, but it's apparently different when a computer algorithm does it?

Look, I understand people's fears that AI image generation is going to put regular artists out of work, I just don't agree with them. Did photography put painters out of work? Did the printing press stop the use of writing utensils? Did cinema cause theatre to go extinct?

No. People need to calm down and stop freaking out about technology moving forward. You're not going to stop it; so you might as well learn to live with it. If history is a reliable teacher, it really won't be that bad.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well said.

I'd like to add that the biggest problem, imo, is the closed source nature of the models. Corporations who used our collective knowledge, without permission, to create AI to sell back to us is unethical at best. All AI models should be open source for public access, sort of like libraries. Corpos are thrilled we're fighting about copyright pennies instead, I'm sure.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Since Gen art became a thing i've been using it episodically to create images of a civilization of space-faring boars, representing the future of my glorious South-Western France civilization. They raise ducks and grow wine in space, and the lore is getting a lot deeper than i first thought. It's so fucking fun man.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Okay now I'm hooked. What's the Story of the Boar-men

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

It bothers me more than it should that his snout is sticking out through his helmet glass

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

Wee! Haha! Fun!!

sounds of a dozen methane gas generators humming away

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This happens a lot in music. It's okay to listen to music that serves other purposes than art. Gatekeeping is ridiculous.

I'm a musician. I play more instruments than you can even name correctly. I can make a tritonus substitution without you even noticing. I don't give a shit if German Schlager Music is worse than country. If I want to watch Eurovision and enjoy myself and pay to vote for songs in foreign languages, I will do so.

You cannot stop me from enjoying stupid music.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

We talk about freedom the same way we talk about art,” she said, to whoever was listening. “Like it is a statement of quality rather than a description. Art doesn’t mean good or bad. Art only means art. It can be terrible and still be art. Freedom can be good or bad too. There can be terrible freedom.

Joseph Fink, Alice Isn't Dead

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The issue has never been the tech itself. Image generators are basically just a more complicated Gaussian Blur tool.

The issue is, and always has been, the ethics involved in the creation of the tools. The companies steal the work they use to train these models without paying the artists for their efforts (wage theft). They've outright said that they couldn't afford to make these tools if they had to pay copyright fees for the images that they scrape from the internet. They replace jobs with AI tools that aren't fit for the task because it's cheaper to fire people. They train these models on the works of those employees. When you pay for a subscription to these things, you're paying a corporation to do all the things we hate about late stage capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I think that, in many ways AI is just worsening the problems of excessive copyright terms. Copyright should last 20 years, maybe 40 if it can be proven that it is actively in use.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Oooo an AI straw man

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I agree.

I have all these images in my head and zero artistic skills to create them.

Thanks AI, if indeed that is your real name, for helping me with Visual aids for my teaching work!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I honestly think it's pretty weird that people don't like AI art memes.

That's its best case use, guys. Making a computer burn down an acre of Amazon to make a picture of Trump worshipping Putin's cock.

Yes, a real artist could waste their skill doing it, but why tho?

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