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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Further, suppose that the disastrous June 27 debate with Trump had not taken place, or that Biden had been firing on all cylinders that night.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He was firing on all his (remaining) cylinders.

Kamala was (relatively) more popular when she was performatively distancing herself from Biden. Now that she’s changed tack and moved in lockstep with Biden and his brand of centrist fascism, she’s become unpopular.

The author of this article thinks the only reason Biden wasn’t viable was because of that debate performance. This ignores the fact that Biden was already even less popular than Trump was at this point in his presidency, and well below where LBJ was when he figured he was too unpopular to win reelection and dropped out.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

I don’t think there was any way to recover after his campaign went all-in on Bidenomics. They thought they could win by gaslighting the entire country? Did Veep even get this clownshow?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Are they afraid of the polls? Apparently kamala is falling behind trump

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Those are betting markets tho, how much more reliable are they than traditional polls that show it's still neck at neck?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the betting markets are far more reliable than the traditional polls. I mean traditional polls predicted this back in 2016 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Betting markets were even further off back then. I think the best takeaway here is that no one knows wtf is gonna happen but either way the working class will get screwed

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

I think there are trends we can observe to make an educated guess as to which way things will go. First thing to note is that the public is highly polarized at this point. The dems and repubs effectively have a different narrative of what the US should be. These are fundamentally incompatible with each other, and people subscribe to one or the other. That means there aren't really any swing voters who will vote based on the specific issues or promises parties make this election. And in fact, we saw this to be the case in the past two elections already, the vote is split fairly evenly, but it's pretty stable.

Really what it comes down to is which party will be able to mobilize its base more effectively to actually go out and vote for them. The dems managed to alienate a lot of people with doing genocide in Gaza, and a lot of the momentum they had in the last election has now fizzled. Most people are seeing their standard of living collapsing, and dems keep gaslighting them that the economy is doing great. I suspect there's little support outside rich liberal circles at this point.

At the end of the day, I completely agree that the working class will get screwed since both parties ultimately represent the oligarchs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

538 has it at 52 to 48 in favor of Trump.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

The betting odds are 60-40 now.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

Joe's brain is pudding and he's still preferable to the condescending, cackling cop.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Quick, pivot back! Have everyone vote for Biden again, it will work this time!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Maximum cope