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Hi,

I'm interested in setting up a small static-site-generator site. Looked at 11ty recently and feel pretty uncomfortable with the amount of javascript and "funny language" churn just to make some html happen.

Do you know of any alternative that's simpler / easier / less complicated dependencies? Or do you have an approach to 11ty that you think I should try?

Thanks in advance for any input, it's appreciated!

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I use Hugo and I've been pretty happy with it. It has a lot of layout templates you can use out of the box so you don't need to learn a new templating language unless you want to do customizations. I write blogs in markdown and it's automatically rendered and published.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But as soon as you do want to customize it, you're stuck learning one of the most esoteric languages that wasn't meant as a joke.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for the heads up. That feels like the same roadblock I got with 11ty. It ran OK on markdown, but one you dig into how wide the customizations go I couldn't keep up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I used Hugo for my portfolio site, and it's great if you like an existing theme, but making one from scratch is a challenge. The documentation is unclear and there's a chicken and egg problem about how to learn Hugo.

The go templating is OK, I prefer other syntax but it works.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Good to know. Thanks!

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[–] TrueMonoxidist 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Zola. Similar to Hugo, but newer and written in Rust.

https://www.getzola.org/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

I used Zola for a while, but at the end of the day there wasnt enough themes available that fit what I was looking for. I ended up messing with the templating engine to get what I needed.

I suggest OP choose Hugo over Zola, in the hopes that they find a theme that suits them best and for the most part prevents them from having to touch templating to begin with.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

https://getpublii.com/

It's a GUI app that runs on your local system and pushes sites to a server.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I’m planning on porting my Wordpress site to this. I haven’t used it yet but based on what I’ve read it will be easier than Hugo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for the recommendation!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I think you might like hugo

It's what I use for my blog

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Lol yes another gd deer, just got the car back yesterday.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Seconded. OP, if you can write Markdown, Hugo will turn it into a website.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for the recommendation!

And best of luck with the repair. That's a crazy bill estimate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Do you know if hugo blogs can federate?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

No, hugo does not federate.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This might be what you're looking for: Zola

Single binary that lets you keep your markdown/config in git and just build it from the git clone folder you're in at the time.

I know some people that have moved off of Hugo to this, and Alex from the Selfhosted podcast recently talked about it on their show.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I like using Hugo at present

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for the recommendation!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I found pelican to be quite simple to start with and depending on how deep you want to go it can be quite customizable. Being proficient in python helps.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Use Publii, it has a WYSIWYG editor, a block editor and a markdown editor. It creates the files on your PC and can upload it to your server. Just point your webserver to the uploaded folder.

Very beginner friendly ☝🏻

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for the recommendation!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I did try setting up 11ty, despite my misgivings over node.js. Using Markdown went OK, except it wouldn't render explicit tag parameters to allow me to do one-off formatting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What templating languages do you know already, and are you running 11ty v3? There are some gotchas around images because (I think) the eleventy-image plugin is enabled by default.

I've found success running with .webc which is effectively HTML until you need it to be more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you for the advice! I'll give webc a look before I check out the alternative platforms.

I don't know or really want to learn anything other than html/css or markdown. The site I'm trying to migrate was raw html/css, and I liked it well enough even though the shortcomings (and argument for template stuff) is very obvious.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Have you checked out grav https://learn.getgrav.org/17/basics/what-is-grav

https://github.com/getgrav/grav

I use it just to make simple markdown sites for info like my gaming servers or if I feel like making a random blog post

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Technically Grav is not a static site generator, it is just a flat file cms. It means there is no need to generate all the files of website and upload them to server each time you write a post. I have no idea why people like static sites for blogging.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Use rsync and only upload the files that have changed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

As the sibling comment says, not a static site generator. If you want to customize pretty much anything about the layout or theming you still need to use Twig, CSS and if you're unlucky JS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for the recommendation. I actually did look at grav a while back, but I can't recall why I moved on. Will give it another pass.

[–] filcuk 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In case you're familiar with Obsidian, there's Quartz: quartz.jzhao.xyz/ Runs in docker too, practically zero config to start

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think mkdocs is easier than hugo but less flexible in terms of capability. However it serves all my needs (list of webpages accessible from a central frontpage)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Docusaurus. It's all markdown.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the rec! Looks awesome; Imma try it :)

https://docusaurus.io/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Oof. Meta open source. Srsly sus. •͡˘㇁•͡˘

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for the recommendation!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm looking for something similar that I can host in blue host, but all there is, apparently, is WordPress (hell no), joomla and drupal, and these are certainly not static.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

That's like the OG crew of web content haha. I used to be pretty big on Wordpress, but then two of my sites got compromised (through a plugin probably?), and of course the recent kerfluffle going on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I want to second Pelican for Python. Really easy to set up and get going. No need to learn a complicated templating language (it's jinja2, which is what everything uses).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for the recommendation!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Codeberg Pages if you don't mind a give-or-take weekly 30 min downtime. GitHub Pages if you do. GitLab Pages if you have a creditcard which they require to verify your identity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I recently switched to Codeberg Pages and it's the first time I'm hearing about a weekly downtime. Is there somewhere this is documented or I can read more about it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

“Honestly, I am completely unsure how to proceed with the pages server.
It might be the best idea to deprecate it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

https://www.sphinx-doc.org/ + https://pradyunsg.me/furo/ theme + https://myst-parser.readthedocs.io/ markdown parser + https://sphinx-design.readthedocs.io/ extensions.

Just drop all your markdown files in a directory and run sphinx-build. Highly customizable but also works out of the box

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