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The controversy is over a two-page document that was handed out to classrooms at Kapolei Middle School.

It broke down where the U.S. presidential candidates — Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris and Republican former President Donald Trump — stand on the issues.

The state Department of Education confirms the document was put together by a group of teachers at the school who simplified the information in a candidate comparison article in the New York Times.

The material given out to students lists six issues.

CRIME

Harris: “Gives money to police”
Trump: “Sends soldiers to cities”

DEMOCRACY

Harris: “Wants to keep our country a democracy”
Trump: “Tried to overturn the 2020 election

IMMIGRATION

Harris: “Hires more people to watch the border”
Harris: “Limits how many people can move to the U.S.
Trump: “Finds and catches people in the U.S. illegally”
Trump: “Takes children away from their parents”
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[–] [email protected] 119 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not a single Trumper can explain why this was unfair because their homie likes to grab pussy and fucks underage girls with Epstein.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago

And actually said/did all these things listed.

"The MeDyA Is UnFaIr!!1!"

For just stating how your favorite little guy is?

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Seems remarkably honest, much more honest than our presidential candidates.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Agreed. About the only way they could increase their objectivity would be by using the candidate's own, recent words on the various topics.

Somehow, I think there would be far more outrage if they had done that...

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I like how when you put the two candidates into 8th grade level language, the differences become so stark. There really isn't room for additional interpretation.

Also, I'm not surprised its Kapolei parents getting outraged at this, things get fairly red once you get out of Honolulu and especially as you get onto the West Side. You'll see a Trump flag being towed along side a Kanaka Maoli flag, a back the blue flag, AND a Hawaiian kingdom flag. I'm glad to see the DOE not budging on this.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've been in Honolulu this past week and saw loud Trump supporter caravans going through the city twice, loud group of Trump supporters in front of the state capitol, and another one I don't remember where. Not sure what they're trying to achieve with all this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Almost guarantee they are Westside.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Got a chuckle seeing this clown running for office. Not surprised though, a lot of people here are insane.

https://ballotpedia.org/Shelby_Billionaire

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

He got my vote.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago

These are literally all factual. If they don't want to look bad on paper maybe they shouldn't be fascists.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

The truth doesn't reflect well on Trump. That's the fucking point! Instead they bitch that it was unfair. How can they be so fucking stupid to miss the entire point!

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, the truth about Trump is pretty ugly when you don’t bury it beneath talking points, or obscure it with incoherent rants. “Biodegradable cattle byproduct” sounds okay, but it’s still bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

pretty ugly when you don’t bury it beneath talking points, or obscure it with incoherent rants

Or outright blatant, easily proven lies.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Should they have included each candidate's stance on grabbing women by their privates?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So some parents whine because truth hurts, or what? Or is there a single item that is not easily verifyable?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

They are phrasing it in a way that makes plausible deniability harder!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Wants to make it easier to guns"

I think you a word there

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

I wish it was easier to these guns

Flexes nonexistent biceps

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Aw, are the republicans upset that the children aren’t getting their propaganda? That’s so sad for them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

When I was in the 8th grade I tried asking what the difference was. A friend of mine at the time, who was kinda smart albeit the son of a rich dentist, summed it up by saying "Democrats want to give money to the homeless while republicans want to create jobs for the homeless". It made sense at the time and held some truth for a decade or 2.

Whereas now it's "democrats try to get homeless people back on their feet, republicans make being homeless illegal"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I love how even a biased take, trying to paint Harris much further left than she actually is, still went hard on Harris’ right-wing anti-immigration policies as if they were a good thing. LoL.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Are current politics something usually discussed in US middle schools? They're like what, 14? Or is there a separate civics class?

I'm pretty sure if a questionairre that fluffs Trump instead of Harris is passed out to children, people would be yelling fascism.

The problem is with spreading propaganda in school. There's just too much history and philosophy to cover to get a sense for modern policy, unless you have a special class for it maybe in high school.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I need a copy of this!

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I read the headline and thought the controversy was probably stupid. Then I read the comparisons.

They should have pulled out planks from the party platforms. At least write what the party says it is going to do in its own words. It's OK to simplify, but this list is heavily editorialized. I don't know how much of that was from the NYT article (editorial?) and how much was the teacher's take.

I think it would be fine to have these characterizations of each party's policies in Speech & Debate coming from the opponents.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a comparison between Harris and Trump, not between the parties.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In theory the candidate supports and has a heavy influence over the party platform.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So that's either true in practice, in which case there's no problem putting the candidates' views there, since they represent the party too; or it's false in practice, in which case the candidates' views should be there, because that's who you're voting for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My point is they are putting up views they ascribe to the candidate. It would be better to quote a written or spoken statement.

I guess people can't figure this out without having it reversed so they can understand it. Imagine a school district in Idaho handing out a lesson to students where they characterized the candidates' positions thusly:

Abortion Trump: Opposed to baby-killing Harris: Allows baby-killing in most cases.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

So you're saying that some of the answers are flat out lies like in your example?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

At least write what the party says it is going to do

No, they should present what each party actually tries to do. No more lies.