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I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

See, there's the horrifying possibility that they just did and this is what Americans are.

Eh, forget it. they probably need a minute before reckoning with that one.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That's the thing .. looks like he'll win the populist vote.. You're not "taking your country back" this is your country...

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

This isn't sides anymore.

Until America wants to be tolerant of more than intolerance, it seems it will vote with its penises, wallets, and weapons.

Edit: unnecessary apostrophe

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

It is too late for a while now. Try to be safe, even if that means moving.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 hours ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

Just be grateful if you're not in one of the first groups. I spoke up as loudly as I could.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 hours ago

The problem is that nowhere is safe now. I'm Canadian, and I wish I had somewhere to go. And just imagine how the poor sods in Palestine, Ukraine, and so many other suffering countries, are feeling right now.

I wouldn't be surprised if Vladimir Putin's armies weren't occupying large swaths of Eastern Europe by the end of this term.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Hope there will be a legitimate election in 2028, and show up to the fucking primary before it and in 2026.

I think Trump won because of the economy. Yes, he has a rabid base that really does want his fascism, but the voters who pushed him over the edge are ones suffering because inflation and the wealth gap that has just been allowed to increase unimpeded. Those voters don’t want fascism - they’re just dumb AF and don’t pay attention. They just voted for “change.”

These problems will only increase over the next 4 years, so there will be another opportunity defy the status quo in 2028. We had a chance and failed to do in 2016. We came closer in 2020. We didn’t have a real primary in 2024. When we get to 2028, it’s time to fucking do it.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Wait 2 years, and hopefully put people who will mitigate the damage into the positions listed on your ballot. All you can do now as a law abiding citizen is wait.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

I fear that the next election will be more ceremony than democracy once they have finished rigging it. At this point, I expect a third term for Trump - if he lives that long.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

He won't. The goal was to get Vance in all along. He's a docile pet for Thiel and co to implement their fascist agenda.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

Your fear of a 3rd term makes it all the more important to vote in your future elections. As the two term limit is imposed through a constitutional amendment, they'd need to create another constitutional amendment to reverse it. They need 2/3rds of both the house and the senate to agree to even get the ball rolling, as such, it is vital that you do what you can to prevent them from acquiring those numbers to avoid that situation.

If it did happen, I wonder if the democrats would run Obama again.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 hours ago

I admire your positivity

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not usually known for preaching peace, as I genuinely do not believe there is a peaceful way to defeat fascism. But, now is not the time to kill anyone. Violence at this moment would be ineffective and unfocused.

For the next four years (assuming Trump is not wholesale slaughtering us) becoming a politician would be a better use of your time than engaging in violence. For the next year or two, civic engagement (or political subversion) will have more effect than physically fighting

However, if widespread murder of the innocent begins taking place, please disregard my peaceful message.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

However, if widespread murder of the innocent begins taking place, please disregard my peaceful message.

We're a year deep into the slaughter of Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

We engage in democracy.

Harris was a terrible candidate who was forced into the race. I was hoping she could pull it off but it's pretty clear that what we needed was for Biden to step down before the primary so that we could have a real election.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 hours ago

How do North Koreans win their country back?

How do Chinese win their country back?

How do Russians win their country back?

How do Hungarians win their country back?

How do Iranians win their country back?

How do South Koreans win their country back?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What do you mean by "win back"?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 hours ago

They're trying to get liberals banned by coaxing out suggestions of terrorism

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Legally, there are a couple challenges to be made to his eligibility that will likely be brought by some states. The main one that comes to mind is If there is a case for insurrection then the 14th amendment applies.

Another potential is the 25th amendment. This would require J.D. Vance to get half of the cabinet on board to remove Trump from power. I'm wondering if this is something that is already in the works considering J.D. Vance's true feelings for Trump that were revealed in the past. It's probably a long shot, but who knows.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Even if it was to get uncivil, the side with guns in now in charge

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

We have guns on the left, too. We just aren't as masturbatory about them.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They're notoriously easy to get.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Not when the past 50 years have been so it's harder and harder for the people the current rulers don't like don't get guns

Literally the prison system was made so those who object now legally can't buy guns

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Nah, prison system was made to keep slavery legal, disenfranchisement is just a bonus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Liberals have more guns. I hate hearing this bullshit point echoed like it's some grand revelation.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 hours ago

As if the majority had a fucking choice.

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