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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

Trump is such a loser that even when he wins, it makes every woman in the world stop being horny.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Just don't date conservative men. First date, ask them their politics. It's literally that simple.

You should really have a suite of questions to weed out partners you don't want. This is what the first few dates are really for. Ask them their politics, if they voted, and who they voted for, their stance on abortion etc.

All you're going to get with this is friendly fire. Conservatives generally do not prefer leftist women.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Men will lie, especially if they're trying to get your clothes off. So a single question isn't quite enough. Maybe a discussion about politics on relevant issues, for example.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

As a man this is spot on. My old roommate "presented" as a neoliberal hippy with wood-bead bracelets, but would literally talk about how he wanted slaves so he didn't have to work. Some men are literally closeted Republicans that know if they are honest they will be sexless

Get yourselves a socialist, ladies. Neoliberals are just spineless republicans

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

I'm 4B with qualifiers: No sex with anyone on the right, no dating anyone on the right, no marriage with anyone on the right, and no babies for America.

[–] [email protected] 132 points 4 days ago (14 children)

Opposition to transgender rights movements

The 4B movement predominantly sees transgender rights movements as incompatible with feminism.[10] Developing out of transgender-exclusionary radical feminism (T.E.R.F.), the movement holds to gender-critical views on sex and gender,[10] supporting gender essentialism and the exclusion of transgender women from feminist spaces.[12][14] Advocates of 4B are opposed to what they call "gender ideology" (젠더론x) and promote excluding transgender women from feminist spaces, as well as romantic or sexual relationships with them (트젠 안사요).[10] In South Korea, members of the 4B have created gatherings exclusively for what they call "biological females" and "real women".[10]

yikes

[–] [email protected] 65 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The changelog shows that this section has been added sometime between Oct 30 (last version before Nov) and today. Some possibilities:

  1. disinformation to discourage the movement. I find this most likely given that "Trans" did not appear anywhere in the original article until this was politicized in the US. The updates between versions inserted anti-trans language in multiple places throughout the article.
  2. Or, if this is actually part of the SK movement, then I have not heard anything TERF related for the US movement. The US movement probably should rename or otherwise distinguish itself from that.

Either way, I do not think this should be a point to discredit the movement. It at minimum does not seem related to the US movement and IMO is likely some clever FUD attempt to undermine the movement before it gets traction.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Ha! In a century or two it will be the Taliban v the Mormons for supremacy of what's left of earth.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (20 children)

Am I missing something or is 4B essentially MGTOW for women?

Just viewed through a more positive lens specifically because it's women.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s more a reaction to the policies that make relationships and pregnancy dangerous. Why settle down when you could be one of the 1/5 natural miscarriages and potentially go into septic shock or blow a fallopian tube?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

MGTOW is mostly men who can't get laid. These women could get laid. Not the same.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It actually has historic precedent. Women have been using lack of sex and companionship with men for lots of issues they championed from suffrage to even early prohibition.

It's not just a counter culture of issues with dating but a protest. I think that makes it a bit different really.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 4 days ago (17 children)

I highly doubt many people are doing this.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago

Media hyped bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Is there some underlying assertion here that woman enjoy sex less than dudes? Or that sex is some kind of favor to men on the part of women without mutual enjoyment? Not having sex with someone is pretty easy if that other person is a shitty person. Otherwise I think both genders enjoy genuine intimacy and physical contact by someone they enjoy being around.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

i think there is very real fear women have to take into account whenever considering getting involved with any man. you don't really know if he is a shitty person until you have invested some time into him, and that has its own costs. the risk of getting impregnated, ditched, and stuck with the bill is just too big. these days.. even more so. i think this is a very natural outcome in the face of the rampant misogyny (in the case of S Korea) or revocation of reproductive rights (USA)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's a reference to an old Greek comedy called Lysistrata from 411 B.C. The gag was, in order to end the Peloponnesian war (460 B.C.), women colluded to refuse sex until the men come to their senses and stop the war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Peloponnesian_War

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloponnesian_War

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

It's a protest of how in today's society, even if sex has exactly the same pro's, the cons fall much more heavily on women.

They don't say it's not without personal sacrifice.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Not procreating has always been a natural phenomenon in collapsing species. We just have more words about it because we think, therefore we think we're special.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Date who you want. Do what you think is best. But it's weird that abortion is so often posited as a gender question when race is a better predictor. If white women stop voting for Republicans all of our rights would be safe.

Talk to your mothers and aunts, the rest of us can't outvote them yet.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago (11 children)

MAGA is a promotional tour for lesbianism and sex toys. Toxic masculinity does not attract women and never did.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (11 children)

53% of white women voted for Trump, and they aren't going to join 4B. "Men" didn't elect Trump, a slight majority of America did. When you point a finger, three are pointing back...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When the ideology is so bad it just volunteers itself out of the gene pool.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It's just an idea voiced in some places online, that makes for a good headline, and will get lots of people active to comment and complain.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (4 children)

To men who are actively sleeping with women, or who want to, now is a great time to consider a vasectomy. It's cheap and safe and greatly reduces the risk of undesirable outcomes.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 5 days ago (19 children)

I find nothing wrong with this movement, but at the same time I almost feel like this movement is exactly what "government's" may want. Less educated individuals having children means more uneducated voters in the long run.

Kind of like that scene in Idiocracy (2006).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJDcoqrh1ac

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

While I enjoy sex it is often an inverse proportion to the effort.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (15 children)

(very obviously, but people keep covering this like it's a real thing so...)

You get 100% or even like, 60% of women in on this, yeah. Things will change real quick. I'd hope for the better.

If you get like 5-10% of liberal women doing this, which is by far the most that I'd believe, what's going to happen is the corresponding 5-10% of men get sexually frustrated. Then they'll go online and get caught up in all the incel->alt-right pipelines that already exist today, and men will swing further right.

If we want a movement like this to work it needs to 1. Not punish people who are already on our side and 2. Provide a better pipeline than the alt-right already has for channeling sexual frustration into action.

So cool, interesting idea, I wish it was workable but remember that a majority of women who voted voted for Trump. Even if men didn't exist he would have won.

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