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The API is so cheap someone is going to do it anyways...
Yeah, I remember when Reddit promised similar things...
Nah, first you gotta get comfortable for a couple of years.
It's basically pig butchering for social networks.
To be fair, "they" could probably train AI on Lemmy data, they just won't ask for permission and won't be charged for it
AI is 100% being trained using Lemmy.
......for now.
"Bluesky has not been offered enough money to scrape user data for AI"
"we promise ;)"
They also said it was decentralized which is not true.
I don't believe this.
well there's a protocol but everyone is on the main one, i don't think theres even a non personal instance.
Yeah, I looked into it and the backend is proprietary, so the central owner can restrict features. Like for instance independent instances can only have 10 users.
It's "decentralised" except only in extremely limited scope, the code is centrally controlled and the network remains largely, functionally centralised.
They're capitalising on the decentralised, federated buzz while doing it so poorly they're setting up users to say "oh people tried decentralisation, it doesn't work, look at Bluesky".
If it's not open source, it's not decentralised.
Bluesky is VC backed. They'll want to make money down the road, and they'll definitely train AI soon if not already.
Maybe the VC's are dying soon and they wanted to do something useful with their exorbitant wealth before they die
Lol
Oh it will as soon as the investors demand more ReTurN oN iNvEsTmEnT.
Then we leave that platform too. I have zero loyalty. Zero.
But they'll have stragglers just the same as any major social media site. Even though many here have standards they won't easily abandon, there are scores of people that won't even know if/when AI started being used on the site or would care enough to leave if they did.
Plus every time we leave a platform we need to find or build a new one. The time it takes to get others to migrate and develop into a worthwhile community is hard to predict and it may not even work out. It sucks social media is such shit anymore, but it seems inevitable that it will remain that way given the landscape of the Internet at this point.
I say this as someone who's drifted from Fark to Digg to Reddit to Lemmy over the past 20-25 years 🎈 (zero loyalty as well)
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Who owns this? Another insane rich, right wing techie?
Won't train AI on your posts ~~until we reach critical mass of users~~.
"Well, WE won't train on your data. But this subsidiary company we created on the other hand..."
It's open to the public. So, many other orgs are certainly doing it anyway.
The same can be said of lemmy, mastodon or any publically accessible forum
Absolutely. I worked somewhere where we routinely had alarms go off due to botnets swarming us with weird (and obnoxious) massive download tactics (of publicly available user generated content, that is).
If it can be gotten by anyone, it will be gotten by LLM trainers.
I've yet to hear a good argument for why it matters even if they did. I've made thousands of comments on Lemmy that are free for anyone to grab and do anything they want with. If I didn't want people to have access to them I wouldn't be posting on the first place.
If I didn't want people to have access to them I wouldn't be posting on the first place.
there's the catch: it's for people. not robots, not billionaires
Makes no difference to me.
Sounds exactly like something that someone intending to train an AI would say.
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BlueskAI on the other hand...
If the AT protocol allows public access to content, they can’t create a proprietary training set. But the content is available for anyone who wants to add it to a public training set.
Why is this taking off but not Mastadon?
It's easier to use and has a recommendation algorithm.
How is it easier to use?
Barrier of entry is marginally lower. With mastodon you'll have to make a decision on what instance you're creating your account. With Bluesky there's just Bluesky.
Yep. 100% this.
Bluesky has the hyper casual "barrier'" of entry that Twitter had
With bluesky ,the sign up has a section where you choose a server. The bluesky server is prefilled. Otherwise you add your own.
But not having that default option and instead having to have the user go research and figure out which server to use is an immediate turn off.
Mastodon has one big, official node, too, though: joinmastodon.com.
Better marketing
Which marketing and better how, exactly?
Can anyone please point me an example of Bluesky marketing that isn't word of mouth or large-event headlines on the news?
no, this place only circle jerks about the fediverse blindly and hates anything with a modicum of attachment to reality.
Why not? Are my posts not good enough for you Mr Bluesky?
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