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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 31 minutes ago (1 children)

It's so weird. Gaza is extremely important and deserving of the attention. It's genocide, and it's horrific. But is no one else important? Because we can't save Gaza immediately, it's really better to set outselevs on fire so we can burn together? Like, real talk, Harris will be fine. Biden will be fine. It's our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.

I wouldn't say they're gone though. I've been down voted, told "my kind/type" are all talk, or that I'm okay with murder, I voted for genocide, the usual. But I couldn't sit and do nothing.

But I guess this is what they wanted. The dems have been taught a lesson, we're moving headfirst into a dictatorship, and Gaza is no safer, but their conscious is clear, somehow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they are Isreali or Russian psy ops accounts (or at least useful idiots that have bought the psy ops).

When the war started, Lemmy was overrun by the "criticism of Isreal is antisemetic" accounts. That was rejected pretty hard. Those guys disappeared, and the "never genocide" people took their place.

It almost seems like a change in tactics to achieve the same goal.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Real Talk, I'm getting real tired of everyone from the vaguely right of center to the farthest reaches of the left getting involved in this shit slinging blame game.

I legit don't care anymore who you voted for (edit: so long as it wasn't Trump I mean. But even then, time to start your redemption arc if you did). We are past the election and now all share the same immediate issues.

Folks who abstained from voting (or voted 3rd party) because you couldn't stomach the lesser of two evils, good news, that choice is gone. You can stop parroting the idea that anyone who voted Blue did so "in support of genocide". It should be clear by now those who voted Blue really were just doing their best in a bad situation, they are not your enemies.

Folks who voted Blue because you believe supporting the lesser evil is in service of the greater good. Good news, that burden is also gone. You can stop parroting the idea that someone who can't stomach voting for people who would play politics with genocide is really just a tankie or a bot. Not every one is willing to play game theory with people's lives, that doesn't mean they are your enemies.

Anyone who truly wants to push for solidarity and human rights for all is an ally of mine. And I propose we bury the hatchet, preferably in the objectives of fascists, before its too late.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago

I think it is important to point out the failings of others. Otherwise they may not connect the dots and learn from their mistakes.

Sometimes a mistake is innocent, say you forgot to zip up your fly. It’s important to know you forgot to do so as it could be very socially embarrassing.

Sometimes one could accidentally cut someone off in traffic because they didn’t see them. A good honk notifies them of their mistake and will hopefully drive home the fact that they probably need to pay better attention to traffic.

Pointing out that abstaining and or choosing not to vote enabled the election of the greater of two evils is equally important.

Rock on OP. Never let them forget!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I'd rather keep up the blame game, ngl. Arguments didn't work on the disingenuous pricks who helped get us here. I don't care if they personally made a difference or not, I care that they were utterly unreasonable, and the change in circumstances won't change that.

Speaking to anyone who could've voted for Kamala but didn't: I don't care about solidarity anymore; you didn't have solidarity with us when we needed you. Y'all are fucking stupid and I don't want to deal with that. I realize that's not the moral choice, but RN for the first time in over a decade I don't care about that. I'm angry. Maybe in a few more days or weeks or months that will change, maybe not. Right now I'm focusing on making sure all my remaining friends are able to get somewhere safe if the need arises and keep hope kindled in their hearts. Maybe that means other people who need my help more will suffer, die, or fall victim to their own despair, but I just don't have the wherewithal to make that my priority.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

They voted for a worse genocide.

In 2 different places no less and possibly more.

They just don't know it yet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

You forgot at home, where the marginalized groups are also gonna feel the brunt of turnips policies.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I’ve a feeling some of them know it. They’re just remaining here to maintain enough credibility to be believable during the next propaganda wave that’ll hit us once trump allows his boss to crater Kiev.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Dems failed and people who abhor genocide unfortunately had little to do with it, though listening to Lemmy libs you'd think they personally destroyed her campaign

[–] [email protected] 1 points 52 minutes ago

I have been seeing this online, leftist, superposition where people not voting Democrat, to protest the genocide, are not a significant enough portion of the vote, to have tanked the election for the DNC, and that enough of the 15 million who sat out clearly did so due to the genocide, to make them lose. I have seen it argued both ways from a number of the same people, in different threads, when the messaging behind either, works in their favor. No these people are not russian bots, they have been around lemmy, doing normal poster stuff, for a while now. They just want to not take any blame, and also claim their issue was far more universally important than it was.

"My vote for Jill Stein/My non vote for protest/etc. isn't what killed her chance, it was people being mad about other things the DNC didn't do well!" Then, on another post, seeing the same user name, "15 million people wouldn't have sat out had they stopped supporting Israel!"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

They need someone to blame. Taking on blame themselves for ignoring voters? That's preposterous! Those votes are clearly owed in the democracy that they're the saviors of.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They should be so happy to have achieved what they voted for. This is their utopia too and they deserve to enjoy the fruits of their single-principle voting as well.

When they see people sick and poor with no support or hope, young girls risking life and limb to bear the children of their rapists, rotting infrastructure and a rampant xenophobic kleptocracy, they need to stand and say "I helped make this happen!"

Be proud of the utopia you helped build by voting for the Russian agent; either one.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Ah the enlighten centrist left bashing. A Billion dollars wasted to continue the rightward ratchet. Liz Chaney maybe your friend, but not mine. Go ahead and excuse war crimes all the way to the bottom

[–] [email protected] 68 points 4 hours ago (24 children)

There sure are a lot of people trying to blame the left because their strategy of appealing to the middle failed.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (5 children)

I wasn't super fond of the democrat's platform either man, but I definitely wanted Not Fascism and Some Semblance of Human Rights to win.

Now we have nothing, and I have to make plans to figure out how to get my girlfriend out of the country if she ever needs reproductive care. Great job!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There sure are a lot of people that didn’t do jack shit and think they have a place to blame anyone.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Canadian, voted for left wing party that had the best chance of winning despite the leader being a gilded spoon brat who couldn't lead his way out of a wet paper bag.

I did my fucking part. All you wannabe progressives in the US had to do was vote to keep the Nazi out of office and you couldn't even do that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

American. Voted for Harris. I think you responded to the wrong person.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That was in general to the people who "held back their vote" to "teach the Democrats a lesson". The kind of people who don't realize that the luxuries the west has were hard fought and think they will always be there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

Ahh. Gotcha. Well said, friend from the not too distant north!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

And what has the liberal party done with your vote? Next year is going to be a fucking disaster. The strategy of voting for the least bad option doesn't work when the least bad option keeps getting worse. You can bleat at people to vote for the one party over and over again, but eventually enough people just give up or get desperate for any chance at change and think that voting for the other party will at least shake things up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I voted for the NDP.

Federally the Loberals are the centrists led by the gilded spoon spoiled brat who couldn't lead his way out of a wet paper bag. But he is fantastic at speeches.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 40 minutes ago

The same NDP that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell at getting power nationally? Again, next year is going to be a disaster.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 hours ago

Well yeah, otherwise they’d have to consider actually changing their shit strategy

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

In this thread: morally superior busybodies absolutely malding and calling OP an enlightened centrist for making fun of them

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 minute ago

That is quite the projection given this entire post is morally superior dnc shills scolding the stupid drooling masses for their own parties historic failure.

But Alas, you've drawn yourself as the Chad and everyone else as the soyjack with this comment and thus can receive no criticism

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Amazingly, nobody's happy that the dems decided to sacrifice the whole country rather than budge on exterminating the Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 hours ago

And the genocide just worsens, with another soon in Ukraine

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