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[–] win95 78 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've been on bluesky for a while (over a year). My (leftist) bubble was complaining about how boring it was for the longest time. Now I keep seeing people complaining about the influx of the "new" people joining. And here I am complaining about the complainers. Oh, to be a human on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I think the decentralized nature and barrier of entry might keep lemmy in the stage of the "good old days" of reddit before all the people flooded in and sorta ruined it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

It's Eternal September all over again.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Seems to be mainly because Bluesky is just a better user experience.

Changes in terms of service regarding AI (artificial intelligence), changes in the block feature and the presence of so many bot-like ‘impression zombie’ accounts are viewed negatively by Japanese users

But, X is still incredibly important in Japan and Bluesky isnt a serious threat to it culturally right now.

X is still a major, major news source for Japanese users, so it really won't slow down anytime soon. Newer platforms like Threads or Bluesky really don't have any meaningful adoption or use for brand marketing in Japan — yet

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Anecdotally, a lot moved to Insta or maintain both xitter and insta, but yeah, there's no real inertia to move and, outside of otaku circles, it seems that mastodon and the fediverse are basically unknown.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm surprised that the article doesn't mention Misskey. It's a Federated platform that connects with Mastodon and the like, and has close to a million users. After Mastodon it's the most active platform in the Fediverse, and owes most of its popularity to Japanese users.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Not surprising, they are trying to redirect people on bluesky not on the fediverse

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

they are basically running a huge marketing campaign and a few halfwits on the fediverse are promoting a 'competing' platform.

nothing new under the sun.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I saw a lot of bizarre shit from there through my federated Mastodon instance…

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let's just say that decentralized social media lets Japanese users post stuff other mainstream platforms won't.

So yeah, there's a lot of lolicon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

We live in a society ~~where this type of shit sounds clearly wrong and yet they wander around the internet posting this like it's normal~~

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

what do you mean reasons other than us politics? do other kinds of reasons even exist?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Here we are on the Fediverse. And Mastodon exists. Why, therefore would we BLuEsKy?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can bridge them together and call it a day. Otherwise, presumably because a bunch of the interesting people who left Twitter are there and not on Masto.

I mean, don't ask questions you don't want to hear the answers to, I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A friend convinced me, since they are on BSKY, to get an account. I don't really get the format of Xitter/BSKY/Masto. I tend to hang here mostly, and on Pixelfed but less so. Same disappointment on my part from those who can't leave FB/IG/Reddit because 'that's where all the cool kids are'. So yeah, I may open the app from time to time (month to month), but BSKY is not for me.

Note: We had a guy in town called MudMan, built a labyrinth some years back in a local park.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Like, was that his legal name? Because man, that's ballsy.

Anyway, I mostly agree with you, I am more at home here than on all the microblog platforms. I do feel Bsky does a better job at being that than Masto. Masto is insular and man, I hate to say it, but the way its firehose "Home" feed works convinced me that you need at least some options to handle post sorting beyond raw chronological. I don't hate it, but if I wanted a social network entirely predicated on arguing about Twitter I'd be on Twitter (and for people in denial about the popularity of their open source alternative we have the Linux forums here, so I'm good there, too).

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The Bluesky user experience is lightyears ahead of Mastodon.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cool, how do we convinced the Masto devs of this apparent fact?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

We tried. They ignore the vast majority of feedback given to them.

The Mastodon user experience really needed to be simplified greatly to attract Twitter users, because what's a platform without other users on it to connect to? At this point I feel as if they may have blown their chance.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

anything specific you can call out for those of us who have zero interest in moving to another centralized platform?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Cuz believe it or not, people tend to use microblogging platforms to connect with others in a specific niche, and mastodon currently doesnt have the userbase to host an account focused on most niches.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How to we 'get there', to a point where the userbase is to a volume/ size that it fulfills this requirement? I think musc is helping our cause enormously by being a fascistic a-hole. But hey, we can't rely on him for everything.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don’t know.

I use microblogging platforms to connect with people who have my disability, which includes lots of cognitive problems.

So the current customisation and exploration effort it takes to set up a working mastodon account is too much for most people with my illness.

An optional algorithm would help.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I totally get you on that, friend.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I would love to see more Japanese moving over to Bluesky. I've effectively moved there, but can't really leave Twitter because I follow a lot of Japanese game devs there, and they don't have a strong reason to leave like Americans do.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

More bluesy ads?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I’m curious to see what gets promoted in Japan. BlueSky’s discover feed in the US is fairly politics-heavy right now since a lot of the new users have been fleeing X’s MAGA swamp.

I have no problem with political posts, but I’m hungry for some more organic variety. If I want variety I have to put in a lot of manual work to find people and topics to follow.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It’s similar in JP.

The discover feed isn’t anywhere near the “for you feed” on X, so the experience isn’t super personalised and gravitates towards us politics, as that’s the most popular thing on the platform (similarly to lemmy).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lemmy /all is basically memes, tits, and articles about crazy Trump shit.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I don't have an account there.

My discover feed in a browser with English was some generic memes and jokes, something about Drake's music, some comments on netflix and movies, etc.

My discover feed in a browser with Japanese set as the main language was some of the same, photography, anime drawings, and probably about half of the literal same posts (in English) as above. This could, I guess, be related to other sites I have visited or cookies or something.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Subscriptionwall.

Same as in subscribe-to-download sites or create-account-to-see-link forums: Do they want dead accounts that much?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

The main problem with BLUESKY is that it's the same regurgitated shit you find everywhere else. As a brand new user here's the first 10 things in my feed:

  1. Someone trying and failing to make a clever joke about the US Presidential election.
  2. A picture of black hole (which is great!)
  3. Semi-clever joke involving Professor X and Alvin and the Chipmunks
  4. Self Described "transfem lesbian" screaming about how much they love women. I mean yikes it's creepy AF.
  5. Boring US Political schlock about Lauren Boebert.
  6. Science / Astronomy content
  7. Video Game Post
  8. Self Described "#1 Gayest Lesbian" screaming about how much they love women. A copypasta of the other and still creepy AF.
  9. Another eye-roller "I am soooo depressed" meme.
  10. Boring US Political schlock defending Dr. Fauchi

So BLUESKY seems to be Twitter v2, primarily inhabited by the Pre-Elon Blue CheckMark types. Can I "fix" that with filtering? Probably but if I do then the feed will slow down so much that even checking in once per day will probably be too often.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well... Then... Just don't follow those people. My personal feed is 100% artists and scientists. That's the fun part of Bluesky; unlike Twatter, you're not forced to see all the cringe and ragebait.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And you don't have one asshole owner boosting visibility of his own posts and those of accounts he likes, and lowering visibility/shadowbanning those of people he doesn't. The "For You" feed tends to have not stuff you actually enjoy, but things that make you angry.

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[–] win95 7 points 1 month ago

I use 4 feeds:

  • Following - full control over who I want to see
  • Popular with friends - I use this to find new people since my mutuals are liking these posts
  • Booksky - just everything reading related
  • GameDev - speaks for itself

What I also like better than Twitter is whenever I reply to someone / quote tweet someone but block them after, other people won't be able to see the post anymore. I've noticed (at least for now) that helps a fair bit against pile-ons and rage baiters. Hope it stays that way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

The main problem with bluesky is not posts that you don't like, it's whatever it's centralized or not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What’s up with the multiple account in this thread that refer to BlueSky in all caps? Is this one person spamming from multiple accounts, or is that a thing?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The article body originally had it in all caps and once I noticed that I rewrote my comment that way. The article now shows it as "Bluesky" (no capital S) which is apparently the correct way. I dunno wtf is going on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah. Autocorrect on macOS keeps correcting to capital B and S. There is some sort of existing proper noun in its dictionary. Weird.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is this a fresh account that you went to the discover tab on?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I recommend using bluesky like old twitter if you do use it. Follow people you're interested in otherwise you'll only see the most noisy types.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is exactly like that, which probably is the point. I never got on with Twitter even before the downfall. Now on Bluesky I'm being selective about what I like and follow. I'm gradually getting the kind of feed that I like to see and reply to. It takes quite a bit of work to influence the algorithms to your liking, but it offers a different social outlet than what Reddit-like sites can offer.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

If you are wondering how bluesky is gaining so much traction that's how. ADS.

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