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Luigi Mangione indicted on murder and terror-related charges in UnitedHealthcare CEO killing (www.nbcnewyork.com)

submitted 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Previously the reporting on this did not have a political angle and so it was removed from Politics and correctly directed to News.

The charges related to terrorism now give this a political angle.

"Luigi Mangione is accused of first-degree murder, in furtherance of terrorism; second-degree murder, one count of which is charged as killing as an act of terrorism; criminal possession of a weapon and other crimes."

The terrorism statutes can be found here:

https://criminaldefense.1800nynylaw.com/ny-penal-law-490-25-crime-of-terrorism.html

"The act must be committed with the intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

New York Penal Law § 490.25, the crime of terrorism, is one of the most serious criminal offenses in New York State. The statute defines the crime of terrorism as any act that is committed with the intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion and that results in one or more of the following: (a) the commission of a specified offense, (b) the causing of a specified injury or death, (c) the causing of mass destruction or widespread contamination, or (d) the disruption of essential infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yup, and murder is one of the specified offenses under (a).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Note the OR between coerceing the public and coerceing government. He coerced the public by murdering on the street. Doesn't have anything to do with the government.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Coercing the population to do something about the CEOs, coercing the government to do something about health policy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

No. In this case they are arguing that the intent was to frighten people on the street. They spoke about it during the press conference. The insurance companies, health policy, etc will not play a part. In fact, the judge will probably prohibit its mention in a murder trial. That's a subject for you guys. Anyway, it has nothing to do with politics

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Terrorism is, by definition, a political action. Charging him with terrorism makes it political.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.[1]"

There's no question that the killing was ideological. I think where the charge has the potential to fall apart is "non-combatant".

If you argue that the CEO pushing the rejection of insurance claims is causing death, does that make them a "non-combatant"? 🤔

Where it becomes a slippery slope is that this is the same excuse the "pro-life" movement uses for the targeted killing of abortion doctors, and they use the same tactics. Doxing, distributing hitlists, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (6 children)

It pertains to a New York law above. The legal charge is defined.I would hope a judge would not consider an argument about what it is outside the parameters of what is written in the law.

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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent 5 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

As happy as it made everyone with a brain: That was definitely the legal definition of terrorism (if he did it).

From a quick google, criminal possession of a weapon is because NY has laws against ghost guns (3d printed firearms).

Don't get the logic on both first and second degree for blapping the same guy though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago

Eh. I really don't consider insurance CEOs to be human. If you so thoroughly abandon your own humanity, why should we even legally consider you a human being anymore? As such, I would argue that it's no more possible to murder an insurance CEO than it's possible to murder a cardboard box. Hell, at least a cardboard box does some minimal good for the world. Frankly, Thompson's doing more good for the world as worm food than he ever did as a CEO. I consider the worms feeding on Thompson to be more human than Thompson himself. Does Thompson technically have a family? Sure, but so do the worms.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago

Throw the book, see what sticks. First degree in NY is very narrow IIRC.

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