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I think far more people are exposed to lead in water than from guns. Even gun-owning Americans don't go to the range that often.

The state of Florida has more lead service pipes (water) than any other state in the US. I've been saying for years that this could be an actual source or at least partial cause of the phenomenon known as "Floridaman".

After having been here in Miami for several years I can 1st hand confirm that most of the people here are not intelligent.

Throw in our appalling educational systems and what capacity for rational independent critical thinking was never developed.

We have been told by TV, advertising, media in general, that people are smart, you're smart, you're a smart person there Joe and Jane America. But they aren't. Most can't distinguish the difference between thinking and feeling, therefore they conflate the two.

It's not a good look I'll grant you that. Hey we might be stupid, but at least we're violent.

Some of us were around when leaded gasoline was the norm, and every municipality had a crime rate drop that corellates to their unleaded gas mandate.

Then there's lead in candy which was a problem until the FDA shut that down.

There still is lead in fuel, and so kids who play in urban playgrounds are supposed to wash their hands before eating anything.

So if our people have detectable elevated lead levels (it has a plenty-long bio half life), I'd question automotive exhaust and industry before worrying about guns at the range. Unless someone is squeezing off a hundred rounds a day.

This seems like reaching for the most esoteric and niche explanation to a fairly simple phenomenon.

America's school system sucks, and the anti-authoritarian nature of a culture formed by rejecting monarchy has been coopted to convince people that science and reason are authority figures you ought to fight back against.

The vast majority of Americans aren't gun owners, and the vast majority of gun owners don't shoot very often. You haven't provided evidence for Americans being incapable of critical thinking, but you want evidence for why guns aren't the source of american stupidity.

This is a very silly post. 😅

It's a known risk, and there are guidelines to lessen or prevent lead exposure at the range, but I'd wager most shooters aren't aware.

For example:

Use jacketed or lead free bullets and primers.

Wash your face, arms and hands after using the range.

Change your clothes and shoes after using the range.

Wash your range clothes separately from your families.

Do not eat, drink, or smoke on the range.

Take the same precautions after cleaning your guns.

That being said, the folks at largest risk for this kind of exposure would be those who fire guns the most often, so that population would be the canary in the coal mine so to speak.

https://www.quora.com/How-often-do-police-officers-practice-at-ranges

"How often do police officers practice at ranges?

Most departments require re-qualification training once a year.

My department required shooting three times a year, once with our sidearm, once with our 12 gauge shotguns, and once with our AR 15 carbines.

As for my self, I go to the range 8 to 10 times a year. I am usually accompanied by 5 or 6 of my fellow officers. We are not for the fun, we are training by using the state required shooting plans and we add a little extra to it.

Most officers I know only go to range when required for re-qualification. Not because they don’t want to, shooting off a couple hundreds rounds is an expensive proposition."

Yeah... Might be a reason cops seem dumber than average, and they don't hire the brightest to begin with.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

It's really the idiocracy theory. Dumb people have more and more kids while smart people tend to have 0 to 2 kids. It's exponetially growing the amount of dumb people. Besides some people that had potential dumbed themselfs down by joining organized religion. very sad

Or, you know, the lead that we put into the air for decades burning leaded gasoline...

Even though we've (mostly) stopped doing that, the effects are cumulative, and there are still plenty of people alive who were around when that was still a thing.

Is it possible? Yes

Could it at least in part explain some behaviour? Yes.

But the missing question really is how much, and the answer is probably infitessimally small even if Real.

For lead exposure there are far easier and more common ways to get exposed such as lead pipes (which the US has a lot of).

But also you'd have to establish that the underlying problem is brain damage, and that is probably not true and instead reflects cultural bias.

There are many other reasons to explain American culture and behaviour which does not default to brain damage (or at least provable brain damage).

I would look at social and cultural issues first: an extremely weak political system, a poor quality general education system, high levels of religion, poor quality general health care, high levels of inequality including shocking levels of poverty.

The problem with the US is the extremes - if you have money you have the best the world can offer; if you don't then the state provision is shockingly poor. But alot of the crazies are also rich, and that comes down to the culture and society.

Lead poisoning is the least likely explanation, and is almost wishful thinking to try and explain things as a disease rather than normal human nature.

I think there's a much higher chance of slow-poisoning with heavy metals and other chemicals by food then shooting guns. Food quality standards in the US are poor. As well as nutrition wise. Malnutrition has a big effect on people their brain. The brain needs loads of stuff to function properly, not just corn syrup and fats. And with the poor US food safety regulations and poor tap water there's more poison then nutricions coming into your body.

Religion is the cause. You are not allowed to think outside the cult. There are a lot of idiot Americans who don't own guns or are exposed to them, so the lead theory is not valid in that sense.