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The World’s Oldest Active Torrent Turns 20 Years Old::undefined

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For the lazy: "The oldest surviving torrent we have seen is a copy of the Matrix fan film “The Fanimatrix”."

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago

Valid question.

But if it’s the dumbest shit in existence, it’s still worth seeding because it’s a part of history.

It’s like if Terror Toons was the first torrent ever.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's really neat to see something like this still going. Torrenting is a cool technology, it's fun to download and then seed a file, knowing that now other people will get to enjoy it.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago

Seeing all the flags of different countries sharing the torrent makes me think this is what international cooperation looks like.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Well... I guess I'm seeding it now too

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Ditto. cue "I'm doing my part" from Starship Troopers

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Imagine if this article was written just because the author was having trouble downloading it because there weren't enough seeders.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wonder what percentage of the total internet traffic, since inception, can be attributed to this protocol.

I bet it's pretty high

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Also which periods of time was it higher or lower percentages.

Willing to bet at its inception it was higher than it was when Netflix arrived.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Probably less than spam email.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Multiple games has been using it to distribute updates

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

It's not even a ilegal download. Cool.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Torrenting is the way to go. Especially with VPN port forwarding now.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Seems like some VPNs are pulling back from port forwarding. Was a bummer that Mullvad did, probably due to legal pressure

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not legal pressure, government pressure. They kept getting asked to disclose which accounts had which ports associated with then and share all the info on them they kept (which for some payment methods they do briefly). So they decided to remove the feature rather than potentially violate their founding principle of privacy and anonymity. Kudos to them. Of course f*ck the CSAM assholes who made the government get involved in this and cost us this feature.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

That is very depressing. The arms race between bad actors and repressive governments keeps whittling away at our right to privacy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

why do you need port forwarding if you have VPN?

Its been a long, long time since i've used torrents in any form, so I have no idea.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I do want to note that you can still seed if your port isn't forwarded. For every seed connection, only one person out of the pair needs a forwarded port.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Good point. It just means that only people who themselves are likely to be seeders can download from me. Which is better than nothing, but not ideal!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why is VPN port forwarding relevant here?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Mostly for western developed countries where you will get fucked up by the government for pirating. ISP's in US Canada and UK will sue normal middle class people for torrenting, unless you mask your IP with the correct VPN.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Canada limits the amount that a company can sue for downloading pirated media to the point where it's not worth it for the company to actually take it to court. The company can ask the ISP to send an email to try to scare the user, but that's about it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

this is great news

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Been getting those emails for 10+ years, I just laugh and keep seeding.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I have never heard of this happening. And I've gotten multiple cease and desist letters from my ISP. ISPs don't really have the case for a suit anyways, but there are third party companies that companies like Disney will pay to watch torrents for them and ask your ISP to send you that letter.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

A decade or so ago, there were some widely-publicized cases of folks who got absolutely ruined with six- or seven-figure judgements against them for copyright infringement.

Example from 2012.

Maybe it was a tactic the copyright cartel used in the mid-2000s and then stopped or something, but it was enough to shift folks' behavior such that using VPNs became the norm.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

You are correct, it's super uncommon to get sued for pirating unless you're a major player. If you get busted by your ISP too many times, though, they may give you the boot. My ISP has a 9 strikes in one rolling year policy (at least last I knew).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

You didnt answer the question

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, we get the VPN part. What about the port-forwarding part?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I might have used the wrong word. I think the term is binding a VPN to a torrenting application so that all data going in andd out of pass thru the vpns servers

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Shit they do that? Man that sucks. People go to jail? Or have to pay fines?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Fines. And say you seeded a movie to 1000 people and a DVD of the movie costs $20, they sue you for $20000, treating it like you broke into a warehouse and stole 1000 DVDs of the movie.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Did Linux OSs move into torrents later? I'm surprised one of those isn't an older active torrent. I mean sure there's no point in actually installing those OSs now but people would still seed.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ther's really no point in seeding a 20 year old iso of an os that evolves that quickly

20 years ago we were on the 2.4 kernel just shortly before switching to 2.6, wifi was a mess, GPUs were even more mess

now om gaming on my linux machine with better FPS than the windows version

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Any Linux distro do HDR / VRR yet?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Iirc SteamOS JUST added it. So clones of it should be seeing it soon

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've just googled steamos, that's Debian 8 right (which is eol, weird...)

So I'm guessing Debian 8 (and hopefully newer) will get support too soon?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I think thats the old steamos. The current one is arch and isn't quite public release yet but there are a few clones of it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Kde 6 should have basic hdr...and I can't find it, but I swore I've seen in the past week some gnome based os had some support...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

It's been a while for me using a gui for Linux (headless Debian is my go-to)

Does that mean Kubuntu? (KDE Ubuntu) And for VRR (GSYNC/FREESYNC) would Kubuntu also support that do you know?

When I've tried to Google before, it seems like no distro really supports these as well as windows ATM (although the steam OS comment may show things are changing)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

VRR (Gsync module at least) works on Ubuntu 23.04 for sure. It's a bit limited though, but it is improving. I was able to get it working by only having one monitor plugged in and running the game in full screen (not windowed). The arch wiki has a very nice write up of the current state. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Variable_refresh_rate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I've been using FreeSync for years on Manjaro and Arch.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most advice I've seen says you shouldn't look for distros on torrent sites, and official torrents tend to disappear after each new release.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Distros with torrents tend to publish their own torrent file or magnet link on their site

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Fuck I’m old. I remember discovering Bit Torrent.