this post was submitted on 14 Oct 2023
7 points (73.3% liked)

privacy

363 readers
1 users here now

Rules (WIP)

  1. No ad hominem allowed
  2. Attack the idea, not the poster

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Send me your seed words.

"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."

Edward Snowden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

all 21 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Privacy is a human right.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Show me your search history.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have something to protect

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Exactly. “Then don’t lock your door!” “Picture: a crazy obsessive ex…”

“Public (willing to share; open) <- -> Private (personal; protected; secret)” and “Showing good things you do <- -> Hiding bad things you do” are different vectors, apples and oranges. Clearly, there are 1) publicly done good things, 2) publicly done bad things, 3) privately done good things, and 4) privately done bad things — showing these two dimensions are independent. Or open-source good tools, and open-source malware (e.g. with backdoor) too.

The argument that one should be able to reveal everything if not doing anything wrong, or that if it’s not hidden it’s good and if it’s hidden it must be something bad, is unrealistic, illogical, misleading, confusing, and simply silly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

"Let me see your butthole."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That is not the point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I know what you did

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Can we talk in private?

You mean we’re not friends?

You share my mail address?

You only use global variables?!

I can’t trust you then.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

unlock your phone for me?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have everything to protect

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, though not necessarily you’ll need to protect (hide) everything, a person is obviously the owner of their personal info: they’re free to decide what info they share or not, with whom…

Basically you have no reason to “hide“ when or how many times you go to a bathroom; nevertheless you don’t need to publicly share such info, unless you do want to. Going to a bathroom is not illegal; not sharing such info is, not because you want to hide bad things, but simply because the info is irrelevant and you don’t need to share it. “You don’t need to hide anything if you’re not doing anything bad” is such a warped logic, a crazy rhetoric. Not sharing private info, and hiding bad things, are two different things!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

What if you're gay?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You are dumbass and stupid

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Free speech includes free non-speech.

Having some privacy isn’t “hiding.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Give me your bank details.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even so, respect my privacy.

Breaches of confidentiality are criminal.

Private messages from your friends?

That doesn’t mean: “Publicize everything!”

Betraying your friends is unethical.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

You are your own bank.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

They might think you do.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

What’s the next McCarthy era?