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[–] [email protected] 125 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Let's see what new excuse the US and Europe come up with to justify this while condemning the same acts by Russia.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Easy don’t acknowledge that anything‘s going on now. I’ve been watching western news media and there is now no coverage of Russia Ukraine situation.l, other then US politicians trying to get an aid package to Ukraine. Unsurprisingly, it’ll be tied to aid for Israel. This way they don’t need to preform mental gymnastics to condemn Russia and not Israel. I think the only story I’ve seen about Ukraine was about a family of 9 that was massacred in their sleep.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
  1. The war of Russia against Ukraine is still covered in most news – its just not happening much due to the current stalemate.

  2. The general consensus regarding Israel is the same like before the war: the Settling is breaking international law and needs to stop. At the same time Hamas is a terrorist organization. It's a classic 'everybody sucks here – but one side is significantly worse' and the palestinians are suffering from the conflict between Hamas and Israel.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Come on, we're not monsters... We'll express our concern and politely ask them to stop.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Biden slam lone wolf attacks on Palestinian at West Bank

"It's a lone wolf attack, there's nothing we can do about it." Said Benjamin Netanyahu when questioned.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Those pesky wolves. Running around kicking people out of their homes. Wut ya gunna do?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

It's both infuriating and embarrassing

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

For countries where killing millions abroad is simply a mistake, killing thousands doesn't even register in the conscience.

[–] [email protected] 115 points 9 months ago (7 children)

The article says that the only repercussions will be "talks" with the soldiers.

Just a few bad apples, right?

[–] [email protected] 126 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Remember when they shot a journalist in the head and provided a fake investigation into it that they then took back but still concluded in the end that the journalist was at fault for getting shot?

Remember when they crushed a 23 years old woman from the US to death with a bulldozer because she was protesting the demolition of palestinian homes, then they started an "investigation" where they found out they hadn't done anything wrong because they didn't see her even though the woman has been protesting there for hours and the soldiers that were there testified that she was being a nuisance for hours?

Remember the laws they passed that let the IDF destroy palestinian homes if they deem by internal investigation that they're somehow connected to "terrorism"?

Remember the laws that let IDF soldiers shoot kids if they throw rocks at soldiers in occupied territories?

Yeah... just a few bad apples.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In response to the evidence, the IDF said that “the [soldiers’] conduct that emerges from these scenes is grave and inconsistent with the values of the IDF. The incidents are under investigation. The IDF commanders will hold talks with all the soldiers on the front. One soldier has been dismissed from reserve service.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Being dismissed from service is too little for actual murder.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The most moral army in the world they say, Forces of Light against forces of Darkness they say

They are reveling on spilling Arab blood unhindered, indulging in the most vicious fetish of a supremacist ideology . humanity can go fuck itself

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Reminder that the West Bank is under Israeli occupation against international law (UN resolutions 446, 452, 465, 471, 476 (not an exhaustive list); the Venice Declaration) since 1967. The only countries to deny illegality are: Israel (and the US if you believe Donald Trump lol). This is an exhaustive list.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 9 months ago (9 children)

This sounds like when pics emerged of American troops pointing finger-guns at the genitals of Muslim men in potato sacks on baskets.

Holy shit, I can't find the Gitmo pics of the lady doing fingerguns at their junks. I'm sure I could if I spent enough time, but 4-5 searches didn't get their. That's even more disturbing. This was a huge issue.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (21 children)

Look for "Abu Ghraib pictures" and you'll find them.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In another scene of violence caught on camera, a soldier kicks a blindfolded Palestinian man in the stomach, then spits on him and insults him in Arabic.

In one instance, a religious Jewish reserve soldier hugs a blindfolded, handcuffed Palestinian on the shoulders, and dances with him in circles while he plays religious music on his phone. He asks him, “Why don’t you dance” as the blindfolded man loses his balance.

These are the good guys. You know, the ones that don't want violence and only want to be safe from external threats.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Yep. It's just about finding someone and hurting them because you're afraid and angry.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Where does that over-stated theory that hatred and violence are rooted in fear even come from? I hear it every time violent incidents happen, but I have yet to see any evidence that you need to fear something in order to hate it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Its more a lack of understanding, ergo a lack of empathy.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 9 months ago

“That’s cool and all but do you condemn Hamas though?”

/s

[–] [email protected] 55 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I believe none of the people that committed the terror attack of 10/7 are in the West Bank.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

Even if hundreds were there, maybe they should work with the PLO to get rid of a theoretical common enemy? Nope, oppression of all Palestinians is the real goal of the IDF. They hate all Palestinian groups because they want all of them gone at some point in the future. If they wanted any sort of peace or coexistence, they would be bankrolling Palestinians who oppose Hamas, but they don't, so they don't. Those evil fucks willingly endanger their own citizens by empowering reactionary fuckheads like Hamas. It's awful.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago (40 children)
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[–] [email protected] 48 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Why is American media not showing any of this? Reading or watching US news is like being in a parallel universe.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Israel is really good at misinformation, disinformation, information warfare and controlled narratives.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago (3 children)

"The IDF has investigated ourselves, and we have found we have done nothing wrong."

You have everyday Israelis posting racist tiktoks making fun of Palestinian deaths, it was a given that if you take those same civilians and give them guns the abusive behavior would just get worse.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago (4 children)

This is the issue of apartheid. Apartheid doesn't mean the government is evil, but it protects evil people when they do evil things.

When you have two populations with unequal rights, there's going to be some assholes who are going to exploit that. That's just human nature

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

It's also a feature of fascism. The police didn't do anything to stop brown shirts from burning down Jewish businesses.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Well, the International Court of Justice will thankfully take any piece of evidence for war crimes.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (4 children)

You give people unchecked power over other people, and it will be abused. Occupying armies, prisons, police, clergy, you name it.

We just aren't nice monkeys. So power has to be transparent and accountable.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

At the end of the article they point out that they don't know how many of the reported casualties on the Palestinian side are Hamas fighters, but at the same time don't do the same with the Israelian casualties, and I believe around 300 were IDF soldiers.

Apart from that I think at least they are reasonable and also seem to be critical to their government's handling of the crisis.

And it is saddening what is happening in the West bank with the silent approval of authorities and army, that's called oppression and racism and isn't a good start for a much needed peaceful process.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (5 children)

There are no Hamas on the West bank I'm told. They are restricted to Gaza and that's why it was an open air prison. These are just Palestinians that live and work there, but are not connected to Gaza.

Besides that, they moved all the real soldiers and reservists to the frontline and allowed among others, settlers to do the policing in the region with maybe 1 IDF person in charge when shit happens. I truly believe that's the reason why we're seeing this. It's assholes driving around, looking for Palestinians torturing and killing them. Afterwards it's always in self defense.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

and we are funding it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

War brings out the worst in people.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean war, the west bank is not controlled by hamas.

This is brutalisation by an occupying force on a population living in an Israeli controlled Bantustan.

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