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Almost 90 bombs were dropped in one region in just 24 hours.

Russia unleashed an unprecedented bombardment in southern Ukraine overnight in what local officials described as a “massive attack” in the conflict which has continued to rage even as the international community’s attention has moved to the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.

The Ukrainian Internal Affairs Ministry on Monday morning said Russia dropped at least “87 aerial bombs on populated areas of the Kherson region - the largest number for all time.” At least eight people were also injured in other Russian strikes carried out in the Odessa region further to the west on Sunday night.

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ukraine needs all the air defense they can get. Russia has been signaling they will try again to freeze the civilian population this winter.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago (89 children)

If we'd shift funds from Israel (who are committing genocide) to Ukraine (who are defending themselves) it helps Palestine and hurts Russia too.

Is a win/win.

Imagine if Ukraine had the iron dome America bought Israel.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Imagine if Ukraine had the iron dome America bought Israel.

I know your heart is in the right place but ID barely covers a city and operating costs are extremely high. Right now the missiles that the ID system uses cost something around $1,000,000 each so defending just this latest bombing run would have been $90,000,000 USD.

No one could afford to operate the system even if it could be built.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

ID interceptor missiles are more like $50k-150k a piece, but multiple are fired during each interception to increase chances of a successful hit. The amount fired already since the 7th is still probably in the $1-2 billion range if you estimate conservatively.

Iron Knife and Iron Beam are much cheaper per shot (~$4 and $2500 respectively) but are developed by Israel itself in collaboration with US military industrial contractors. The Gaza war is a giant live fire test for them and countries including the US and India are lining up to buy them.

Iron Dome as a whole thing array also includes David's Sling and the Arrows which cover different type of attacks. I. E. Cruise and ballistic missiles amongst other things.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Looks like it's all going according to Putin's plan.

I'm the last guy to put on a tinfoil hat, but the whole situation seems like it was engineered by Russia to take pressure off their war with the Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'd say it's simpler than that. Russia keeps funding regions it wants destabilized so something bad is always happening at a time good for Russia.

No tinfoil hat, but total Scumbag Putin.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

More likely an opportune moment for Putin. The Gaza conflict seems to have been primarily stoked by Iran over concerns of growing positive Israel and Saudi Arabia relations

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

There was no real indication for the scope and intensity of the hamas attacks. Based on US and Israeli Intel. There were some kind of warning signs, but nothing pointing to this ferocity. I think fighters got far further than they could dream of, and the severity of the response is a direct reaction to the failure of the isreali army to see and stop the attack. It's difficult to believe that the kremlin had more and better information to know that an attack would lead to war on the scale we see today. And I'm willing to believe that Russia sees benefits in arming hamas through the lens of geopolitics, they aren't controlling the actions of hamas in any meaningful way, I certainly don't believe that.

Putin is just taking advantage and is absolutely never harmed by being seen as some kind of geopolitical mastermind. He isn't.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Take the pressure off to help optics but also to squeeze any western support

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They said that the Hamas attack took at least one year to plan, maybe 18 months. Putin thought he would win the war on Ukraine quickly.

So I have my doubts that this was perfectly orchestrated to take attention away at the right time.

Russia and Iran's strategy is more likely loosely aligned.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Fuck Putin, the warmongering cunt. I hope Ukraine continues to get Western support and can kick Russia out of their country, however slim the chances might be looking right now. Russia extending its influence and things gradually going back to business as usual, only for them to do it again in another 10 years won't be good for any Western democracies.

Haven't really been following the Israel/Palestine thing much to be honest, but it would be nice if people would stop killing one another. Also really sucks that it benefits Putin.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I truly feel like if we let Russia get anything that might count as a positive for them from this war, there will definitely be a new war of at least similar scale, but probably significantly worse and significantly less contained.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

We let Hitler take shit and it didn't end well, the repurcussions of that are at war today.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The chances aren't as slim as many people seem to imagine. Putin is basically in a holding pattern for now. He's holding out on the chance that Trump might win a second term, thus changing everything about the current dynamic. If Trump doesn't win, Putin is probably in pretty big trouble since he almost certainly won't survive a defeat in Ukraine and will be hard-pressed to find a good exit that doesn't look like one.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Makes sense, UN can only produce a finite amount of concern, not enough to express it on 2 major conflicts.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

UN doing absolutely diddly in two major theaters of conflict rather than just the one.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The UN's role is to prevent conflict between major powers, not stop all war period. It has done an exemplary job at that, better than any organization in history. There have been no wars between major world powers in the past 75 years. Prior to that, all empires were constantly at each other's throats.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

idk how much of that really is the UN and how much can just be attributed to mutually assured destruction

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

At this point, pouring on the bombs (shortly after gloating that the new speaker in congress suits Russia) seems likely to be as much about shifting morale (getting Ukraine to worry that its support from the west will dry up with Kremlin toadies in control of Washington's purse strings) as it is about on-the-ground strategy or tactics.

It's not like new Israeli atrocities detracts significantly from the world's ability to pay attention to the atrocities in Ukraine, but anything that gives Moscow something else to gesture at gives it something to whatabout over, and getting the rest of the world (including nato members and US politicians) to fight amongst themselves (over whether it's better to back a genocidal ethnostate or the terrorists resisting it) is always a win when the alternative might be for them to unify against your invasion of Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It is amazing how the news cycle dropped Ukraine so fast. Not good for getting US support, but I think Ukraine can still get support from Europe.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (44 children)

And still getting his ass kicked by civilian volunteers with drones.

Why don't the Russian people get rid of this asshole?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's a little harder than you imagine Source: I'm Russian

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

The world watching has never stopped him before.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Can we please give the armed forces of Ukraine finally airplanes? The offensive is going nowhere if they are not supplied with an edge in combat gear.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately it’s not that easy.

They have already got a large sum of F16’s, but it takes training of Ukrainian pilots before they can be used in combat.

From what I understand they should be ready to fly in early 2024. That still a long time to go - but you don’t want to lose pilots or planes because of inexperience with that type of airplane.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What a totally unforeseeable situation.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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