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[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If your community knowingly depends on slavery then your community probably deserves to collapse

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago

Not community. Economy.

Slavery, Prison labour, migrant labour that you can totally rip off and not pay, and lastly child labour. That's what's propping up the economy at this point..

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Using underpaid prison labor to deny people access to well-paying jobs, forcing more people into difficult situations.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which again raises crime, which in turn raises the amount of underpaid prison labor.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

See, the system works. Well, not for us.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

This is not a meme…

Once you know how and why was the private prisons created or operate and “earn” their money you would be sad if not depressed…

I recommend watching a documentary on this topic.

 

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I'm not disagreeing with you, but you should really at least name a documentary and share some insight that it brings.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (35 children)

So they are literally forced labour camps? How can anyone in the US still complain about Russia? (Just as a disclaimer, this is not a defence of Russia. I think the conditions there are terrible, but the US doesn't seem far behind, if at all)

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The US has way better propaganda - the marketing strategies invented in the 60s by the nephew of Freud were put to very good use at bypassing people's reasoning and not just at making them feel needs, fears, and short-term endorphine jolts related to products and services being sold.

Also the US has way better circus and more bread than Russia.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Cuz different rule sets apply to different parts of the world. That and the clever naming scheme the US usually applies to make things sound not as bad or marginably better than they actually are.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Pretty much exact argument much of the south made about ending slavery before the american civil war happened..

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also frequently hear the same argument made for any change to the thoroughly corrupt healthcare scheme in the U.S.

That any form of socialized medicine would collapse the insurance industries putting thousands out of work and damaging stock portfolios and retirement accounts that may have invested in such. But hey, it's totally ok to bankrupt tons of citizens and enslave ill folks to lousy jobs because they can't afford to lose employment-tied insurance that would never be affordable as an individual.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago

Translation: "But... muh slaves!"

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sounds an awful fucking lot like some of the rationale the confederates used around the time of the civil war.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So it's just "we can't abolish slavery because it will hurt all the poor slave-owners" but modernized.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would argue that it's not even modernized. It's just the same argument.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The very idea that we have legal, Constitutional slavery still in the US and most people don't know or care is genuinely disturbing.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Translation: Slavery has always been legal in the US.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

To be fair this is hardly a problem unique to western capitalism. Gulag labor in the USSR was widely acknowledged and documented. And there are likewise credible accusations of forced labor (and much worse) in China as well. It's bad in every case, and intellectually honest observers would condemn this practice in every instance.

This isn't capitalism or communism - it's an autocracy and human rights issue. The places with the best criminal justice outcomes these days are generally the "third way socialism" eg Scandinavian model countries which have a blended version of regulated capitalism and wealth redistribution.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To be fair this is hardly a problem unique to western capitalism.

The majority of western capitalist countries DON'T have legal slave labour in their prison system (or anywhere). I'm pretty sure it's actually only the USA

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Huh. So US would collapse without slave labour?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well, actually, yes. Or without migrant labour which they are losing hence the child labour law issues recently. Study harder. You will get it.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Private prisons? Seriously, Amurica?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like slavery with extra steps, cuz it is.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like slavery with extra steps.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Sounds like pure slavery:

  1. catch someone

  2. take away their freedom

  3. force them to work

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Oh no, is your community relying on slave labor because capitalism deems it not efficient enough to exist? Boo hoo so sad, better vote pro-slaver again next election, they will surely fix the problem this term.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

But no, we can't plan out and try out a new or better system, because we might hurt poor old capitalism's feelings. Won't somebody think of the billionaires?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

If that community wants to keep those lucrative prison jobs they need to step up and get incarcerated more.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Did you intend to post this on a meme c/? Seems like the wrong place

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does he think Arizonans wouldn't like those jobs for decent pay?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Using the same excuse slave owners in 1860 used isn't a good look...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

That's why I'm never letting my kids move out. I too enjoy the benefits of slave labor

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