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I have a set of 3 Bra Premiere non-stick frying pans that I've used for a while. The coating on them says "Teflon Innovations without PFOA". Recently I've noticed that on the most used pan, the 26cm one, the Teflon coating has started to peel off.

I know that Teflon coatings can release harmful fumes and chemicals if overheated, but what about if the coating is physically peeling? Is it still safe to cook with them? Or should I stop using especially the 26cm one? I don't want to keep exposing my family to anything dangerous unknowingly. Any advice if these types of pans are still safe to cook with if the nonstick surface is peeling would be appreciated!

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[-] [email protected] 68 points 7 months ago

First of all, if you're going to buy a fancy expensive non-stick pan, spend the money and buy non-metal utensils to use with it.

Second, if you want to keep using metal utensils, buy anodized aluminum. It's not perfectly non-stick, but it's close and it can take a beating.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

We got a set of stainless pots and pans last year and as long as you heat the pan before you put food in it, I've had less sticking than in my old non stick pans.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

First of all, if you’re going to buy a fancy expensive non-stick pan, ~~spend the money and buy non-metal utensils to use with it.~~ don't.

FTFY. Expensive non-stick has no practical benefit over cheap non-stick. They all wear out in the same amount of time regardless of price, so you might as well buy the cheap stuff so you don't feel as bad when it's time to throw it out.

Otherwise, I'd prefer tri-ply stainless clad aluminum to anodized.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

In the pan itself sure, but there's a lot of difference in the handle & weight between cheap and fancy though. All of my cheap ass nonsticks have had the plastic handles fall off before they start peeling

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Anodized aluminum is porous, that's how the dye stays attached. Also aluminum is not recommended for use with acidic foods. I would personally avoid it.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Aluminum is porous. Hard anodized aluminum is not. That's the whole point of anodizing the aluminum, so that it creates a barrier that stops it from reacting with acids.

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[-] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago

Do you want to eat teflon? 'Cause that's how you end up eating teflon.

In theory, the teflon should continue to be inert as it passes through your digestive tract, but don't do that. It's time to throw out the pan.


Related advice: non-stick is overrated to begin with. Replace all your nonstick pans with tri-ply stainless clad aluminum, cast iron (enameled or not), carbon steel, etc..

If you insist on having a teflon pan, recognize it for the semi-disposable item it is: get the cheapest one you can find, use it only for things that really need it (e.g. eggs), and accept that you're going to be throwing it out and replacing it every couple of years.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

I don't even think you need one for eggs necessarily. I switched from PTFE nonstick to all metal (stainless/carbon steel and cast iron) a few years back. Eggs were no problem once I figured out heat control. I cook scrambled eggs and omelettes every week with no sticking.

I did eventually get a ceramic nonstick for making soft tofu in a sticky sauce. Definitely don't try that in a stainless steel pan. It worked okay in the carbon steel wok, but was obnoxious to clean.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago

There is an episode of the Dave Chang show podcast that covers this. They have a professor on to cover the science of different pans. If I remember correctly, it should be safe as it will through your digestive system. The bigger issue is overheating Teflon. That being said, you still don't really want non food in your food, and that pan is likely pretty worthless from a non-stick perspective

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2gJsAHAFP1MNZX5hZ7lA61

[-] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

I've looked into this when buying pans, I'd say it's still unsafe. Apparently in 2013 they changed their formulation so the chemicals aren't toxic and if ingested it's inert so it doesn't affect you at all.

With all that, I still don't trust non-stick and bought myself a stainless steel pan and I love it. It's easy to maintain and when cooking properly most things don't really stick either.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Would you have resources or advice about cooking properly on a stainless steel pan ?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Preheat the empty pan. You'll know it's hot enough when you throw water droplets on and it beads and dances around. Depending on the pan and situation, they're pretty sensitive to heat so youd mainly cook on a low or medium.

Then use a good amount of oil and/or butter. I've even cooked eggs without much hassle.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Preheat and use a decent amount of oil

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

What did you do to the poor thing? Looks like you've been stabbing it with a fork 24/7 for years. Toss it, and be (a lot) more careful with the next one - or skip nonstick entirely. They already have a finite lifetime when not abused, and if you manage to ruin the coat in one spot that's a hotspot for "scaling off" more.

Stainless steel can take a beating, though, go nuts.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Cast iron is non-stick and so much easier to clean

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Cast iron is nice, I recommended stainless because I assume someone who treats pans like this would ruin cast iron too.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

"Safe" is a relative term. Is it going to set your house on fire? No. Is it going to release harmful gasses while you cook and leech toxic metals into your food and slowly poison you? Yeah, probably. But, like, how old are you? Maybe you're like 98 years old and don't have that much longer to live anyway.

Fuck's smatterchew? Throw that shit out and get a new pan. Damn.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

My girlfriend is a materials scientist specialising in non-stick coatings.

The first time she came to my house, I had to throw away all teflon with even a scratch on it. She said once the surface is broken it will leach chemicals into your food.

She said they are perfectly safe whilst the coating is in tact and uses non-stick pans herself. Just replace them as soon as you notice the surface is broken.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

Just replace them as soon as you notice the surface is broken.

So like twice a month?

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Don't use metal on your pans maybe?

[-] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

No, it's toxic. Replace it with carbon steel, stainless steel, or cast iron.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

I got tired of seeing my teflon-coated pans wear out like that or lose their non-stickiness, it bothered me to realize that the 'premium cookware' I was buying was temporary trash I'd need to replace every couple of years.

I retired my teflon cookware and now have just steel and cast iron (and ceramic-coated cast iron) and I don't miss teflon-coated cookware at all.

Sure, sometimes I end up with stuff stuck to my pans, but realistically that was true with my 'non-stick' pans as well. The nice thing about cast iron and steel is that with use, they seem to get better, whereas the teflon pans start out nice but deteriorate in the way they work. When I do end up with stuff stuck to the pan, I can scrub that clean in a few seconds with a steel scrubber or scraper, whereas stuck-on stuff with teflon (the stuff the dishwasher didn't get, anyhow), seemed to demand the extra-soft scrubber (and lots of time, because the soft scrubber doesn't work as well).

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

My stainless steel cookware set has worked better and lasted longer than every non-stick pan I have ever owned.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Ugh... I've tried this route... I really have, but shit like eggs sticking like a mother fucker is just too annoying. Unless you drench the pan in oil.

I've switched to ceramic non-stick, I'm sure it's not perfect either but you gotta make compromises.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Did you know that if you use Teflon pans in a house with pet birds they might die from the fumes? Since we historically used canaries to detect dangerous gasses in coal mines, might we take that as an indication that Teflon pans should not be used at all?

The scratched ones are bad and should not be used. Going forward you should ditch all your nonstick pans and buy cast iron or stainless steel.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago
  1. Don’t heat a non-stick on high, like ever. Medium is as high as they can take.

  2. Use silicon utensils.

We had issues until we stopped doing #1. The cheap non-stick Tfals we have now have lasted 10+ years. The old expensive ones didn’t make it past the first few.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

*silicone. You wouldn't want silicon utensils.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I stopped using non stick pots/pans completely. PFOS or whatever other fucked up, deadly, untested chemicals can get out of my life forever. We may think they're safe but do we really know? "They" told us the original teflon was safe and look at how that turned out.

I now have an induction range and only use cast iron and stainless steel. Yes, I sometimes have to scrub or soak my pans but I believe me and mine will live longer and healthier.

Cast iron does make better tasting food, IMHO. Takes some getting used to and more work to clean but I think it's worth it.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Replace ‘em. Get either cast iron or stainless steel, once both are seasoned properly they are just as non-stick as teflon pans and much more durable. Lodge cast iron pans are like $20 and are super easy to take care of if you cook frequently.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I don’t think stainless steal seasons. Maybe you’re thinking of carbon steel?

Stainless is great to cook with but you have to wait for the pans to come to temp before adding food

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

once you go cast iron you never go back

[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
  • Cast iron = brilliant and last forever
  • Stainless steel = brilliant and last for ages
  • Carbon steel = brilliant and last for ages (but expensive)

Cooking on plastic doesn't feel right. Even if it's perfectly safe, I'm happy to stick with any of the above and not cause excess waste by having to throw out pans when they scratch.

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[-] 404 12 points 7 months ago
  1. Chunks of teflon are getting in your food
  2. The aluminium underneath, which was protected by the teflon, is getting into your food (especially true with acidic foods, since they will react with aluminium and erode it).
[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I don’t know that the PTFE is going to be any worse than all the other micro plastic we’re eating*, but the aluminum definitely is a problem.

Id suggest replacing it (or using the others until you can replace it,)

Tomorrow might be a good time if you can afford it, with all the sales.

*ain’t life grand?

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

why does it look like a very old whale who's battled hundreds of squids? Ever hear of wood or silicone utensils?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

No, it's not safe to keep using nonstick pans that are peeling, but people still use them anyway.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

ATK just did a short video on this. It's probably not as detailed as you might want but here you go. I believe Teflon is used because it is so innocuous, but the chemicals used underneath to make it stick are very bad for you. https://youtu.be/2RJkIPT-jLs?si=w0X3lpQK9tnaMmbA

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Teflon is very bad for you don't do it.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There's a couple misconceptions in this thread.

Yes, Teflon can release some gasses if overheated, but it's not likely going to cause you any real harm. As long as you're turning on the range hood while you cook, it's basically a non-issue. Teflon really only releases fumes at very high temperatures (usually over 500F), and foods that are being cooked at that high heat aren't really going to be needing a non-stick coating to begin with, so you'd ideally want to use a different type of pan for foods cooked at very high heat in the first place.

If you really huff the fumes intentionally, you might give yourself a headache/fever (look up "Teflon flu" for more), but it's not likely gonna kill you. However, some pets may be more susceptible to Teflon fumes, particularly birds, who can very easily die from Teflon fumes, so be cautious if you have any animals in your home.

As for the aluminum underneath, that's also largely a non-issue. Aluminum is safe to cook with in most applications. It's even relatively safe to consume, and it's actually used in many common medicines (like aspirin and antacids) and also as a food additive in some cases. There's a reason why acidic foods like tomatoes and pineapples are canned in aluminum; because it's safe to do so. If a little aluminum from the can/pan leeches out into the food, it's not a big deal as it'll pass through you unnoticed. It's only really a concern if you already have issues with high amounts of metal consumption in your diet. Some people believe that aluminum can cause or accelerate certain conditions like Alzheimer's, however I believe those studies have been mostly inconclusive, last time I looked into it.

The bigger issue is that you risk getting chunks of the Teflon coating breaking off of the pan and getting into your food. While it'll pass through you mostly harmlessly, it's still not ideal. And it's just gross.

I'd recommend tossing that pan and getting a new one and only using it for low/medium-high temps, as well as picking up a stainless steel pan (assuming you don't have any metal allergies), and use that for things that need more heat to cook.

Also, be gentler with your pans, in general. It looks like you've been sticking a fork or some other metal utensil in there, which is a bad idea. If you're using a metal spatula or something, stop that; just use plastic/rubber/wood on your non-stick items. If you're hand-washing it, just use a sponge or a soft brush, but don't use anything abrasive like steel wool or those sponges with the "hard" side for grease and grime, as those can also rapidly degrade the Teflon coating.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Something you should be aware of: Many, many range hoods, particularly in cheap housing like apartments, do NOT ventilate outside. They move the steam/smoke/etc away from the cooktop, but just blow it back into the kitchen. In some cases, right into the face of whoever is standing in front of the stove.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Huh, I always thought pineapples and tomatoes were canned in non-aluminium tins that also have a coating on the inside to prevent corrosion. Them tins don't really feel as soft as a beer or soda can.

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