I ordered 23 tons of burning batteries on Amazon, but it's running late. I wonder if this is related.
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I had 40 tons show up last night and only ordered 17, I think I got yours.
Burning batteries and the right?
You must pee the bed at night.
Your comment gave me quite the fright.
But, your rhyming game is outta sight!
I actually didn’t even catch it
But both of you have earned the title ‘poet’
An expert hired by the Taipei, Taiwan-based Wisdom Marine Group “is working diligently to create contingency plans, arrange for a firefighting team, and ensure the necessary equipment is in place,’ the group said in a statement.
Yeah right. They're frantically trying to figure out how to dump the container overboard and whether the penalties would cost less than losing the boats cargo.
Dumping it in water will not stop it from burning, and will probably make things a lot worse for the crew.
If they could dump it overboard they absolutely would not care whether it continues to burn.
I think you mistake how much people like a steady paycheck and want to do their jobs how they're supposed to be done.
I mean sure, if tossing it into the ocean as a last resort is in the SOP and we had MSDS saying go ahead as long as you can get three miles away...
I think you mistake how companies work.
When there's many millions of dollars on the line and you're an easily replaceable deck hand the SOP is to do whatever the fuck the special consultant tells you to do.
If the container would melt and need dumping, then it would likely melt throught the ship hull as well if not jettisoned.
And then every other polutant on board is in play as well as the lithium fire.
So dumping the container is probably the least damage scenario of the things are out of control scenarios.
I believe that lithium ion and lithium iron phosphate fires are generally put out by lowering the temperature of the reaction to the point that it can't self sustain. Dumping it overboard in a vast supply of frigid water actually would put it out, provided it sinks.
It's also a really really bad idea environmentally.
Nah, someone already commented that they've towed it outside of the environment.
I applaud them for doing that before the front fell off this time. Hope they don't encounter any waves out there.
Oh, yeah. At sea? Chance in a million!
Wouldn't the sodium contents of the sea react explosively though? I was under the understanding that batteries + salt is a super bad combination
I don't have a definitive answer for that, even good Google results evade me. What I do know is that lithium batteries, lithium ion batteries, and lithium phosphate batteries are all slightly different things with different material properties.
You are in the right for thinking that elemental lithium batteries are generally very reactive to water, and air for that matter. But I know that lithium phosphate fires, which are the batteries that power most electric cars, have to be cooled with a lot of water to try to stop the reaction. I also recently saw a technique for conserving water when putting out an electric vehicle fire, it was to crane it into essentially a shipping container full of water.
So while I know lithium + water = bad, and lithium phosphate + water = ok for quenching, I actually can't find any definitive results for lithium ion + water. I'm also assuming that the ship is carrying just lithium ion or lithium phosphate batteries, since they are by far the most common. (After going back and rereading the title, it seems ion alone)
thank you for the answer, I to tried consulting the almighty google which brought no good luck either!
That is not the point. The company has to evaluate if cleaning up properly costs more than the fines of dumping the cargo in the sea. They don't care about the batteries anymore, they just want to minimize losses.
According to the article it is near a major fishing area (Dutch Harbor), so dumping those batteries will do extra damage.
But on the positive side, the electric eel population will get a much needed boost
"It's been towed beyond the environment."
Id like to see the physics on this.
No, it’s beyond the environment, it’s not in an environment. It has been towed beyond the environment.
Does it require rigerous maritime standards, like at least 1 crew?
Can i put a container of my stuff there?
Im tired of paying Public Storage's ratchet game.
Does it require rigerous maritime standards, like at least 1 crew?
No paper, no string, no sellotape.
We turn off physics outside the environment to save clock cycles
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The crew released carbon dioxide into the hold
Apparently some larger airliners have a similar mechanism for the cargo hold of the aircraft. The system is sometimes referred to as "the puppy snuffer" :(
If an onboard fire occurs, those dogs are dead anyway. Might as well try to halt the fire before it melts the airframe.
The "puppy snuffer" is the cargo heat outflow valve. Cargo isn't heated unless needed, for example where the manifest says there's animals there. It has nothing to do with fire suppression systems.
But no one should be flying with their pets anyways. Get a sitter, or if you're moving forever, drive there. Even if moving across the ocean, I'd rather spend over a week on a boat (or even give my dog up to someone else) than subject him all alone to the stress of an airplane's cargo hold.
Meh, they knock them out. I've done a 14 hour sold out commercial flight whacked out on Atavan and don't even remember the stopovers.
Eh? My wife flew from the PNW to France with our cat when we moved. She gave her half a dose of the veterinarian prescribed knockout juice and she was completely fine. Of course, she wasn't in the hold, but still.
I forget the details, but there was some alarming numbers about pet deaths specifically in the cargo hold. We opted to drive the kitty, with some meds bc he doesn’t really like being in the car.
If your pet is small enough it can fly in the cabin, as long as it's in a soft crate.
I'm not going to upvote this, because I can't bring myself to, but thank you for telling me.
Who tf decided to ship burning batteries lmao
They were being sent to Springfield to upgrade and modernize the Tire Fire
I'm sorry it was a fire sale, I couldn't resist.
I will admit I misunderstood what they meant with the "fire" part of the sale.
This is not the future that EPCOT promised me.
Is this the shipment for the new Samsung Note?
Samsung Galaxy Smote
The Coast Guard said it diverted the 410-foot (125-meter) cargo ship to Dutch Harbor, one of the nation’s busiest fishing ports
Were there no other options?
It was burning, past tense, and besides, those batteries don't detonate. I'm pleasantly surprised they have a CO2 mitigation system and ability to seal the cargo hold. Had no idea that was a thing!
Get it into port where you got the resources to have a look, get the crew offboard, experts onboard. Sounds like a sane plan to me.
Is the fire out?
It does not appear so by reading the article.
First paragraph:
A large cargo ship with a fire in its hold is being kept 2 miles (3.22 kilometers) offshore of an Alaska port as a precaution while efforts are undertaken to extinguish the flames, the U.S. Coast Guard said Saturday.
Timeline - Fire started Monday. CO2 released then? Ship told Coast Guard on Thursday, divert order given then? Ship still burning offshore on Saturday.
Lithium car batteries supply their own oxygen so a simple gas smothering might not work.
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Really seems like something they should have had plans for before insurance would let them ship the batteries.
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