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A thread yesterday had a variety of people asking if the unemployment is lower because the youth are well cared for.

Please click through and read for additional context. Families are helping. Parents age and are not a long-term plan except for the most unusually wealthy.

Please remember: China is nominally communist. Functionally, they are capitalists with an usual side of excess infrastructure spending. A strong central government doesn't make a country communist.

Their land use rules... that makes them communist-ish. But that's a small part of a far larger picture.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Their land use rules… that makes them communist-ish

Wouldn't go that far...

It's hard to pretend China is in any way communist when they have rampant wealth inequality and the wealthiest run the government.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Excess infrastructure spending" I've spotted the republican.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ad hoc and poison the well while being very wide of the mark, too.

Nicely done.

My politics align more with Sanders than anyone well known politician. Surplus is surplus and the left needs to retain the right to call a spade a spade.

Not all infrastructure spend is good. I'm both envious of what they have and stymied by articles documenting unused cities.

For ease of research, I recommend "China ghost cities." Maybe those cities will make sense and not every idea has to work, but that is surplus, ergo excess.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most of the things that you mention as "ghost cities" and so on are simply they building in the long term, for the people, so that they can be in a later time be populated. Here's a good example of a YouTube channel who made a video about "ghost" metro station a few years ago, recently they did an update, and it is no longer a place without a purpose but actively being inhabited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR4EYQ6JFUI

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I get that they're attempting to master plan and be ahead of things. I also know infrastructure is an investment - and sometimes it's partially a jobs program.

Not every investment works out.

I'm not down on them.

I'm down on low-effort, glib and smug responses and I'm hitting more of it on Lemmy than I hit elsewhere. I'm not sure if this is the result of reddit leading to a population swing or if lemmy already had a lot of "smart" people who could be better than they are.

If I plan to smear someone. I click their post history. I've stopped myself from many errors and found a way to build a common ground. I've also found fools and decided they weren't worth it.

But if I plan to be dismissive, I do the research.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds strange, but it is something that the Chinese national government has made policy to rein in. This includes a national ban on new skyscrapers and subway lines. If the national government has to ban different types of infrastructure to be built, it can be a sign of excessive spending.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

As far as I know, the ban on skyscrapers is due to safety concerns and a sense of identity which make sense, vertical urban planning is good but the best middle point is buildings that are neither too small (because you are not taking advantage of the vertical space) nor too tall. This is not much different from US zoning laws, which work to appease to the car industry lobbyists.

Regarding subway lines, I can't find any information about that, just that they banned drinking in such places.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You need to find Chinese parents first.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

To view a text only version of CNN pages, replace "www" with "lite". https://lite.cnn.com/2023/07/26/economy/china-youth-unemployment-intl-hnk/index.html is about 50 kB, whereas the original is about 2.7 MB.

BBC article.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It looks like there is two different things happening.

First is that the one child policy is causing problems with several grandparents being supported by one grandchild. In this case, it seems like the grandparents are paying a salary to their grandkid to support them in elderly care. It may not be a lot of money, but it seems to be enough for the adult grandchildren to live for what is effectively a part time job.

Second is that the economy going through issues, and grandparents are acting as unemployment insurance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Li, 21, now spends her days grocery shopping for her family in the central city of Luoyang and caring for her grandmother, who has dementia. Her parents pay her a salary of 6,000 yuan ($835) a month, which is considered a solid middle-class wage in her area.

That just sounds like a caregiver. Laura He and Candice Zhu can eat shit if they do not think that is a real job. Caring for someone with dementia is not a walk in the park.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The latest China Bad story is that parents are looking after their children. Really scraping the barrel here.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh geeze, be quiet you didn't even read the article.

Nothing about it is negative toward China it's just covering a new cultural and attitude shift of young adults staying home to help rather than compete for jobs. Shock, Chinese citizens are also dealing with different economic consequences of Covid-19 like every other country. Also shocking, Chinese young adults are just as disheartened by the opportunities for their future as all over the world.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Her parents pay her a salary of 6,000 yuan ($835) a month, which is considered a solid middle-class wage in her area.

So…they are unemployed?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It says right there there's a salary. She's nepotistically employed as a caregiver.

If you think that's not a "real job", that's basically a cultural judgement, which I guess you can make, but then there's dudes that think only steelworkers have a real job.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would you want for young people to work? Is your idea for a utopia to have 15 year olds working at a McDonalds for minimum wage?

If the youth can focus on studying and improving themselves that is what they should do. Maybe it is because of the strong US "worl ethics" but where I live unless you are under extreme poverty you focus on studying until you are 25 at least. We have free healthcare and education, so we have it much easier than people in the US, though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I didn't say she was 15, it was an example because that's the reality in the US.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Really weird phrasing by cnn, and strange that the Chinese youth take it upon themselves online, since they're performing work that is very common in China, being a nanny or a housekeeper, and getting paid in room and board. They aren't "professional children," they are professionals who happen to be the children of their employer.

Despite the youth working at home and being paid, the article keeps using the phrase" professional children" as if they're being paid to act like children.

Totally aside from that, what makes you think the land use laws in China make China more communist? The US has essentially the same rules, that if you don't name a beneficiary, your assets are often allocated to the state.

As far as I understand, as long as you name a beneficiary in China, the 70-year lease on your property/ real estate can be renewed indefinitely by any directly named beneficiary.

Is that correct as far as you understand real estate laws in China?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn’t Andrew “UBI” Yang literally work for CNN? Really weird framing for something he would at least pretend to love. People are being paid to run errands for their family, a tale as old as time. It’s still labour, but now focused at helping their families and community rather than getting some higher education formal job. Europe should try this out with their army of ageing sexagenarians. Kids would kill for 800 EUR a month to actually live for once.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This article isn't written by Yang..?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wanna point out where I said it was? I'm saying that the presidential candidate that currently works at CNN advocated for something that would have an extremely similar impact, and yet it's being framed as if kids are being paid to wear diapers or some shit. Either CNN fires "thousand dollars month" man and acknowledges they actually hate errand kids and community-focused jobs, or they portray it fairly. To do otherwise is hypocritical, but what else would anybody expect from CNN on China?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Does your employer ask you for comments before they allow your other fellow employees to publish work?

I didn't think so. Yang doesn't own CNN. He just works there

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Then they should have done similarly critical coverage of Yang's plans. Instead they hired him as political commentator so they at least think that his policies are not laughable (or more likely that he never actually stood for them in the first place). News outlets should be consistent in their coverage.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Let’s not pretend how trust fund babies work in the US

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