And yet Hard Times created Vladimir “why nobody wants to be friends with me after I tried so hard to please them” Putin.
The meme is clearly wrong if you had just advanced one more block of history.
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And yet Hard Times created Vladimir “why nobody wants to be friends with me after I tried so hard to please them” Putin.
The meme is clearly wrong if you had just advanced one more block of history.
buddy the title is literally
⚠️⚠️⚠️IRONIC⚠️⚠️⚠️
You just need some photo of Yeltsin and Putin in the last panel along with the flag switch
I've never understood this phrase because if it's true then it's literally impossible to deviate from the pattern, idk what they're trying to say/what they're complaining about.
Explains why liberals love quoting it so much, it treats history as predetermined based on some kind of vague "cycle"
Looking at those three, maybe there is something to an aesthetic analysis of history
Looking at how they did things, they all suck 🤷
You think the people that raised standards of living, ended famine and raised life expectancy from the mid 30s up to 65+ and brought their country to being number 2 world superpower in under 40 years while simultaneously eliminating unemployment, providing free healthcare and eliminating homelessness suck?
Are you out of your fucking mind? This opinion is not based in reality, it is propaganda-brained.
You are not immune to propaganda.
I'm not saying I am immune to propaganda, yet there are 2 sides on that coin. Censorship I already mentioned, then we have repressions, basically encouraging ppl to accuse each other, etc.
Eliminating unemployment and homelessness was also somewhat questionable, AFAIK: after finishing a uni, the future workers were forcibly sent somewhere to work for X (3, I guess?) yrs with dorms as accommodation to live with Y else ppl in the same room (so, a glorified homeless shelter). Now imagine that somewhere in Siberia. Although, yeah, better than nothing, I guess. On a side note, zero unemployment was "official", and I personally judge their openness regarding stuff they didn't like based on the Chernobyl accident's handling.
Free healthcare is great, no questions here. However, it wasn't pioneered by the USSR, but actually dates back to Alexander the 2nd's reforms (or even earlier).
So, that's kinda it, a nonexclusive list of reasons why I refuse to glorify USSR
Censorship I already mentioned
And you completely ignored anyone pointing out the same censorship in capitalist countries.
then we have repressions
Ahh yes, capitalism, famous for not repressing political dissidents. Please don't look at Assange, or look up any of the mysterious deaths of BLM organisers, or look at the entire history of marxists being assassinated by the state. No repressions here!! The state has definitely never dropped literal bombs from planes on protesters! Nope. Never happened. The state has never blown up entire neighbourhoods with explosives to get one dissiddent family before. Nope. Never happened!
You're blind to all this shit because you're probably a beneficiary of capitalism and want to continue it, knowing full well you're a beneficiary. You ignore the heinous shit capitalists do, causing 2 world wars, slavery, and the modern heinous shit because it doesn't affect you personally and as long as that is the case you don't give a fuck. But you certainly do give a fuck about socialist states doing less bad stuff because those are a threat to your maintenance of the status quo that you benefit from.
basically encouraging ppl to accuse each other
No now you're claiming that something the nazis did as a matter of systemic society-wide policy is something the soviets did. You're doing literal actual fascist propaganda now of claiming the crimes of nazis were actually what the soviets did.
Eliminating unemployment and homelessness was also somewhat questionable
No it wasn't.
after finishing a uni, the future workers were forcibly sent somewhere to work for X (3, I guess?) yrs with dorms as accommodation to live with Y else ppl in the same room (so, a glorified homeless shelter)
Please for the love of god stop getting your information about socialism from reddit comment sections filled with literal actual nazis. Holy fucking shit.
Free healthcare is great, no questions here. However, it wasn't pioneered by the USSR, but actually dates back to Alexander the 2nd's reforms (or even earlier).
Yeah you should just be banned. You're a lost cause, a literal actual fucking moron that believes the country had ""healthcare"" at a time its life expectancy was in the mid 30s. How are you this fucking propagandised? What have you done to your brain? Do you just actively TRY to fill your head with shit? You want to believe this drivel so you seek it out? What is wrong with you? Do you ever actually think? Is there a single ounce of critical thought in your head or do you just unquestioningly believe anything anticommunist while doing everything you can to debunk in your mind anything pro communist?
How much does your brain freak the fuck out when I tell you that the soviet gulag system had a lower death rate in the 1950s, over 70 years ago, than they do in current, modern day, american prisons?
Source? 🤨
Soviet union was significantly better than anything that was before or after
Well, I like their tech, or rather that everything came with schematics ootb, but other than that... Idk, some stuff still seems too restrictive for me: all that iron curtains, needing the party's approval on stuff you can listen_to/perform/read, etc
It's no different than what creators have to do in the West when trying to appease their editors/producers/executives, only they are only concerned with what will net the most money.
On one hand, we have making stuff that lends you in jail or otherwise gets you in trouble with the govt, and on the other one - stuff that makes you no money [which is also not exactly correct since you can even publish stuff under CC and still make money (e.g. Cory Doctorow, LukHash, etc) as long as said stuff has an audience]
No mate. You're not looking at this correctly.
There is an absolutely huge quantity of stuff you simply can not put in media because you will lose your job in the industry. That's censorship, it's just smartly hidden censorship that is one step removed from any "official" capacity but everyone still knows it's there.
Sure you can publish under CC, good luck getting blacklisted from everything else forever though.
"The Red Scare never happened because why would anyone have to be scared into hating commies?"
Another r*dditor hog who cares only about cooming and what type of funko pops you can buy. Come back when you have a soul.
The problem with dunking on libs is that they just ignore all of your actual, concrete insults, and so to continue the dunking one most fall back on surface-level insults and ideas coined by reactionaries.
We should just quote the 11 kinds of liberalism at them until they go away (except for the funko pop part, thats a funny dunk, keep that part)
yeah I think I went too far.
I understand the temptation, so don’t feel bad
Tbh only the cooming part is sus at all, everything else is an accurate dunk. And people here seem to like the “coom” meme so I guess that’s whatever too
Incredible series of clauses
it's a good thing people don't need money to live, huh, you fucking moron
Why is it that the world’s inequality skyrocketed after the dissolution of the USSR? Why is it that liberals glamorize the swift period where Russia stripped its own copper and made people desperate enough to want Putin? The capitalists no longer had a threat against them. Even today, China is an industrial and financial threat, not an ideological one.
Even if the USSR “sucked,” they were the ones encouraging revolution and decolonization, and that resulted in countries demanding a seat on the world stage. That’s not to say these countries all succeeded or even good today, but the western capitalists actually sweat when people were dissatisfied. Now? Fuck it. Just watch the marvel and eat the burger. It’s the end of history!
Did I say capitalism doesn't suck? As far as I can tell, I, in fact, didn't. I generally like communistic and anarchistic ideas, but not the methods USSR used
Vibes based politics mf.
Both sides suck
"Both" implies there are 2. Fortunately, there aren't
Care to elaborate on what doesn't suck?
IMO, communism, as I understand it, actually doesn't, yet achieving it through socialism (as USSR tried) is not the way, instead going the collectivist anarchism route and straight up ditching the vertical power structures is better.
Like when you keep states, they start protecting themselves/oppressing othets and turn into a class of their own, thus eliminating the possibility of them self-disdolving when the society becomes classless.
Although it's not that I've read a whole lot on the topic, so it may be much more complicated than that
In a vacuum, that sounds great. But it totally fails to recognize the existence of imperialist capitalist powers that will fucking destroy you if you try that on a scale that gets in their way. The USSR looked the way it did not because of what they were trying to build, but because of what was necessary to prevent their destruction. Once capitalism is gone, it's a very different story
Is it necessary to threaten them, tho? Just showing ppl around better living is possible while not calling yourself a scary communist and not making direct moves towards converting the other countries (and instead being generally friendly) may work, I hope (and then said others try the same stuff on their own). The only problem in that case is the possibility of being attacked before achieving moderately well self-sufficiency, tho, and I'm not sure how high it is
There are two options here.
Your project is small enough to not be of any concern to capitalists. You don't claim any valuable resources, and you don't have much industrialization. Your social structure might be great, but you lack the amenities that most modern people would consider essential for a "good life". You could potentially keep this project going for a while within an anarchist framework, but you're not going to change the world.
You have abundant resources and adequate industrialization. (Somehow you acquired these without capital or violent revolution?) You are demonstrating an attractive alternative to the capitalist system and are sitting on resources that could be valuable to some major business interests. They WILL try to use state power fucking kill you, if they aren't able to corrupt you and buy you out. You will be gaslighted by every major media outlet, your parents will think you're a baby killing terrorist, and the US military will be preparing an invasion at your border. If you don't adopt a militant, disciplined organizational structure to combat these moves, the commune will be defeated.
That's why, to Marxists, the primary goal is a military victory over capitalism. Of course the socialist states that remain will not represent the end goal, and we shouldn't expect them to "wither away" without effort. But if capitalists can no longer command state power, the viability of the kind of society we want suddenly becomes plausible
Is it necessary to threaten them, tho? Just showing ppl around better living is possible while not calling yourself a scary communist and not making direct moves towards converting the other countries (and instead being generally friendly) may work, I hope
communism is necessarily an international project so "not making direct moves towards converting other countries" is kinda hard in that framework. Even if you do aim for socialism in one country, the capitalists will oppose you regardless and spread propaganda about you, sanction you, and threaten to invade you. This is literally what is happening with China right now. They are (actually very frustratingly to us communists) explicitly not trying to export revolution abroad, and yet they still get tarred with endless propaganda about how they're doing totalitarian repression and genocide in Xinjiang and all the factories need to have suicide nets and they all have unsafe working conditions and so on. Compare this to a nearby country like South Korea, which has totalitarian control except by corporations (like Samsung) and much worse social problems.
How much time does the American media spend complaining about South Korea's authoritarianism and suicide rates, etc, compared to China's, if authoritarianism and social issues were the actual problems that America cared about? How much time does the American media spend complaining about Israel's genocide in Palestine and the fences and surveillance cameras and the EXTREMELY totalitarian conditions that Palestinians have been under for DECADES, if totalitarianism and genocide were the actual problems that America cared about? No, America only fearmongers and spreads propaganda about China because they're seen as a threat to them, despite China trying their utmost for many years to appease the United States. Literally all the Chinese government talk about is "win-win cooperation" and so on, while government committees in America denounce China every other day and try and prepare for war with them.
China has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty and created a superpower out of little more than a series of colonies. It has much better transport infrastructure and builds entirely new cities to contain the housing problem and is taking big, meaningful steps towards turning housing from an "investment" for the bourgeoisie into a public good instead. China is the prime example of "showing ppl around better living is possible while not calling yourself a scary communist and not making direct moves towards converting the other countries". And because of American propaganda and astroturfing, many Westerners hate China with a burning passion, instead of seeing the many, many successes. Many don't even really know why they hate China, at least compared to other countries that have worse problems with repression like India, Israel, and South Korea, and instead seem to essentially believe that making Tiananmen Square jokes and Winnie the Pooh jokes are like, these deeply funny and edgy things that if you say them in a game chat, then Chinese players are going to be dragged out of their home or something, which is... like, so inherently fucking ridiculous of a belief to have that truly, only dumbfuck brainwashed Westerners could be stupid enough to believe it. It's almost as stupid as Westerners who think that North Koreans think unicorns are real and dozens of other bizarre myths. Honestly, at a certain point, it feels like Western media and intelligence agencies are just making fun of Americans and Europeans. "Alright, what myth should we make up next? Let's say... hmm... let's say that Chinese people think that the Earth is flat, and North Koreans don't believe in the Moon because Kim Jong Un said it doesn't exist. God, our citizens are so fucking stupid that they'll lap this shit right up."
Not sure what you mean here. 'Cause so far it's about encouraging others to overthrow the govt in hopes of establishing a communistic paradise and not why I'm prohibited to think USSR in particular sucked.
Although mb smth along the lines of said stuff being "inevitable" which my pacifistic ass still doesn't agree to. Linking to a particular message can help
ah yes, the people who did this:
suck just as much as the people who did this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire
something something dril tweet 'zero difference between good thing and bad thing' smug self satisfied reddit/stormfront user surprised more knowledgable people don't take his confidently wrong statements as indisputable truth direct from the godhead
cringe + L + ratio
Death to America