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I wonder how much of this is fulfilment of old orders (prior to Musk ruining his public image). It'd be interesting to see a chart of the amount of orders they're getting rather than cars they're shipping.

I'm always amazed at the amount of well researched pro musk comments pop up under things like this.

I see at least two multi paragraph, cited comments including yours on this thread. Amazing how fast y'all can just fire these huge sets of data off like that!

Before you go cumming over those financials, Tesla is currently slowly losing EV market share as other US producers bring on their vehicles https://www.axios.com/2023/04/05/tesla-ev-electric-vehicle-adoption.

In addition, worldwide BYD is either outselling Tesla or about to outsell Tesla depending on the vehicle type! All that after being laughed off as competition by Musk. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/02/07/tesla-1-in-world-bev-sales-by-big-margin-2022-world-ev-sales-report/

The American market loss is a matter of time as the larger auto makers being additional vehicles into the market, the global market loss has been written in stone for years now.

So, buy TSLA is what I'm hearing?

I do enjoy the lack of Elon Musk fanboys trying to defend his every word here on [any place that isn't Reddit]

Nothing.

hard pass on hybrids. Every hybrid I've known if has had super pricey transmission/clutch issues. I've had too much bad luck with them.

I would go full EV or full gasoline/diesel before going hybrid

Most people don't actually need much range most days. Don't forget you start every day with a full battery.

At least EV's from other vendors wouldn't gas light you about the range.

It is, but there's a big "but" with that. When the range is determined by agencies like the EPA, the car is allowed to run in the most optimal configuration, meaning:

• No heating
• No AC
• No radio or other stuff running
• No autopilot/self driving, which consumes a significant amount of power
• They even put tape over the gaps in the body (e.g. around the doors) to lower air resistance
• Minimal weight in the car. Only one person, no luggage, no extras that would add weight
• Optimal weather (not too hot, not too cold)

This way they get an artificially inflated official range. Now when a customer buys the car, loads in all their stuff and people and actually uses heating/AC/onboard entertainment/autopilot/... and drives in suboptimal weather their range would instantly show as much less than the official rating. And this is where they were cheating, and would show a range number that was closer to the artificially inflated official one.

To be fair, though, when determining "official" fuel consumption for fuel burning cars, they do the same tricks as above. But they probably won't cheat on the range display, since range is much less of a relevant value for fuel burning cars. Also, everyone expects fuel burning cars to burn much more fuel than it says in the ads.

(That said, when I got my new car, a Dacia Jogger, I was really surprised that the actual fuel consumption is actually lower than the official one.)

For what I understood reading the article is the automaker who make the test. Then they can use the epa algorithm, or their own. Tesla did the latter. EPA asked them to reduce of 3% their results. Other brands ? They use EPA algorithm. Most have the correct result. Except for the Hyundai Kona. They underestimated their range.

The big thing is the EPA estimate is a blend of city and highway driving. For ice cars the city is generally lower than highway, but it's the opposite for most electric vehicles. I believe Tesla also uses 60 for highway speed instead of a more realistic 65-70+, the lower speed dramatically increases range.

I was wondering if this violated false advertising laws? I'm definitely nowhere near a Lawyer, so I can't begin to grasp the nuances of things like that but...

If someone buys the car under the pretense that it will drive 500 miles on one charge, and it consistently only makes it 350 miles, that's not a variable tolerance issue like +/-10% . It's a straight up "I sold you a falsehood" issue.

What does the FCC have to do with it? Do you mean the FTC?