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submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

I know gator-aid and its like advertise that they have lots of them. And I know sometimes I feel bad if I sweat a lot and just drink water. But are they just advertising... salt? Are there different kinds of electrolytes, and if so are they interchangable?

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I really hope it doesn't get removed, because while jokes aren't always appropriate, this particular joke is, like, essential.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

It's also technically correct.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

Effectively, yes. "Electrolytes" is a collective term for the ions that help move stuff into and out of your cells. These are primarily sodium and potassium, although calcium also plays a role. Sodium is the most important of these for sports drinks, because it is the one you most lose through sweat.

Unfortunately, most sports drinks don't really contain enough to balance out heavy sweating, because sodium salt (aka normal salt) tastes, unsurprisingly, salty. If a drink had the right balance of sodium, it would be noticeably salty. Gatorade has one line of drinks that do that, and Pedialyte is specially made for the correct balance. Sports drinks really jack up the sugar to help hide the salt taste.

Most sports drinks, rather than having the sodium you need to replace sweat, instead jack up the potassium (think Prime and it's advertised 843mg of electrolytes, 700mg of which is potassium). This doesn't really replace the electrolytes you need, but it also doesn't make the drink nearly as salty.

When you see "electrolytes", you should flip around to the nutrition label, which must list the actual amounts of sodium and potassium. This will tell you if it will actually help you recover from activity, or if it's just more sugar water and advertising.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sodium is also used for all the electrical activity of our body (such as thinking and moving and living...), and is fundamental in adsorption of nutritions in digestion. Sodium, potassium and calcium are so important that it is difficult to even list all processes they are involved.

Edit. To add context our cells spend between 30 and 70 % of their energy to move around sodium and potassium ions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium%E2%80%93potassium_pump A good chunk of what we eat is to move them around

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

such as thinking and moving and living

bold of you to assume

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Our diets are already rich in sodium. Because it makes food more tasteful.

You really don't need any additional sodium

Edit. Who downvoted a basic fact? Sodium is table salt guys, we already eat enough of it

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Maybe, but do you really think you could keep that down?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I’ll practice with a smaller banana to train my gag reflex

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

That sounds horrible. Can you share the link?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I actually take electrolyte tablets with me when I hike. Hyponatremia (having dangerously low salt levels) can really sneak up on you when you are hiking in the heat for four or five days straight. You keep hydrated, but there just isn't enough salt in your food to replace what you lose. Dropping a straight tablet of salt can really help balance that

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Also this explains why after I have a particularly hard day at work, the thing that makes me feel the most regulated is a piece of steak that's very heavily salted.

Fat and protein, cartilage, sodium

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Is it easy to make such a drink yourself? And at least a bit drinkable?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I buy this and add it to my water. Use a little less than a 'serving' first time at it can activate your gut - maybe from the magnesium? Buying it by the bag makes it much much cheaper than liquid iv.

https://www.bouldersaltcompany.com/shop/

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

So would you say 500-510mg Na to 370-380mg K is a good ratio for a drink additive? Trying to figure out where liquid IV (or is it Liqvid IV? Lol) stacks up.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I'm a bit curious in this too. I don't have an answer for you but totally anecdotal, I do notice I feel noticeably better even just halfway through a liquid IV which I've never noticed with any other sports drinks.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Eh, anything that close to what your blood is at normal levels works out pretty well. Liquid IV and LMNT and so forth do pretty well... But depending on your activity, acclimation, and the temp, you might need several packets to make up. I run, so I am very acclimated, and that makes your sweat more. So in summer when I do multi day hikes, I take electrolyte tablets with me. It can really sneak up, so just swallowing a salt tablet makes it a lot easier to balance.

Here's a thorough (long) video by Gear Skeptic where he breaks down a lot of this within the frame of through hiking (usually 100+ miles) https://youtu.be/pcowqiG-E2A

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Fantastic ELI5, excellent response. Thank you!

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Salts. Sodium, potassium, and magnesium. Edit: Not interchangeable. All three are essential.

Gatorade is a bad source of electrolytes. It's loaded with sodium but that's about it. You're better off drinking coconut water and taking a magnesium citrate suppliment for hydration. Stay away from Gatorade. It's sugar water.

EDIT: Yes there are others too. Chloride, Calcium, Phosphates, and Bicarbonate. I only mentioned the major ones. Apologies for that.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Years ago I read that magnesium oxide has a very low absorption rate in the body, so it mostly passes in urine. The source said magnesium malate or citrate have much higher absorption.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Magnesium also competes with calcium for absorption. So it's best to space them out.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I've been taking the malate variety, but decided to switch to oxide midway through, because I got a bottle of it for free. It took me a week to realize that magnesium oxide was the one causing diarrhea. So yeah, there's definitely a difference between magnesium varieties.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

You're right. I meant to say Magnesium Citrate and only just now realized my mistake, two whole months later.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately, coconut water is not good for tree nut allergies.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Electrolytes are chemicals that can ionize to carry current. Table salt is one electrolyte, but potassium and magnesium salts are also required by the human body. Nerves work by sending electrical signals, so they need these electrolytes in order for them to carry those signals throughout the body. The problem is, the amount of electrolytes available to nerves depends on the amount present in the bloodstream, and when sweat glands pull water out of the bloodstream, they also take some electrolytes with it. That's why you need to replenish them after sweating. If you don't, your nerves won't work as well and your muscles will have a hard time coordinating. The specific ions you need to organize muscle contraction are sodium, potassium, and magnesium, so if you're low in any of those, then you risk weakness and cramps. So it's not quite as simple as just drinking table salt.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolyte)

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

It's got what plants crave.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

When you sweat, you lose more than just water. You also lose salt and some other minerals. Basically that's what electrolytes are and what's replaced with sports drinks.

What's not been mentioned yet is a real electrolyte drink is noticeably salty and does not taste very good. Gatorade and other sports drinks you find in the convenience store jack up the sugar to make it more palatable and saleable to the masses.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Sodium, potassium and magnesium. Largely. Varying concentration levels inside and outside our cells create positive and negative gradients which stimulate cellular reactions. Basically they have to do with our body's electrical system and are crucial for creating action potentials which start and end nerve impulses, make our muscles relax contract, operate our hearts, allow us to see and a ton of other important shit. It's the chemical and atomic level of our bodily functioning, very interesting stuff, yo.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I'm no doctor, but as far as I understand it electrolytes are sodium and potassium, and they help your body get hydrated faster by helping you absorb water (more? Faster? Idk, one of the two.)

(Btw, you're supposed to drink gatorade and water for this purpose, of course gatorade ads don't tell you that part though. Nor will they tell you about Pedialyte which is better than gatorade for hydration, or Liquid IV which I'm trying out now so I'm reserving judgement until my testing is complete).

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I think it's water retention they help with. You should consider consuming electrolytes is you plan on sweating a lot (e.g high intensity sports) or if you consume large amounts of Caffeine.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

My 2cents: Pedialyte (premade) still has that sweet taste whereas Liquid IV does not. The powdered Pedialyte contained (I haven't bought it in a few years so I'm unsure if the formula has changed) artificial sweeteners that upset our guts - which was no good when I was giving it to kids with diarrhea because it just exasperated the issue.

It may be placebo effect but I feel like it does a really good job.

*I am also biased because they make one with caffeine and it's helping me cut back on soda.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm going to go out on a limb and say a product sold as a powder, and called Liquid IV, when IVs are traditionally liquid, is not to be taken seriously.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

When dissolved in water many atoms and molecules have some charge, that allows them to create relatively weak bonds with waters (therefore stay in solution).

The charge means that they have either more electrons than protons (negatively charged) or less (positively charged). These are called electrolytes because they can be "moved" in water and separated by applying an electrical field (electrolysis, this requires a different eli5, take it as it is).

Outside water these substances aggregate to form "salts".

Now, some of these charged elements are crucial for functioning of basic biological processes, such as thinking, muscle contraction (including heart), even sensing.

Unfortunately they are lost when sweating (they are dissolved in sweat). In a healthy diet, where you eat enough fruit and vegetables, this is not an issue. If you are doing intense exercise however, an additional dose of these substances might help. TBF I am not sure if it has ever been proved that it is necessary... But it might help.

As said, if your diet is good, you don't need them. If your diet is s*it you'll probably have other issues. If you have real issues your doctor will tell you how to address them.

Tl;dr: those drinks are marketing stuff. They might be beneficial only in case of intense physical exercise, not needed for daily life if you follow a healthy diet

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