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Dear Lemmy.world Community,

Recently posts were made to the AskLemmy community that go against not just our own policies but the basic ethics and morals of humanity as a whole. We acknowledge the gravity of the situation and the impact it may have had on our users. We want to assure you that we take this matter seriously and are committed to making significant improvements to prevent such incidents in the future. Considering I'm reluctant to say exactly what these horrific and repugnant images were, I'm sure you can probably guess what we've had to deal with and what some of our users unfortunately had to see. I'll add the thing we're talking about in spoilers to the end of the post to spare the hearts and minds of those who don't know.

Our foremost priority is the safety and well-being of our community members. We understand the need for a swift and effective response to inappropriate content, and we recognize that our current systems, protocols and policies were not adequate. We are immediately taking immediate steps to strengthen our moderation and administrative teams, implementing additional tools, and building enhanced pathways to ensure a more robust and proactive approach to content moderation. Not to mention ensuring ways that these reports are seen more quickly and succinctly by mod and admin teams.

The first step will be limiting the image hosting sites that Lemmy.world will allow. We understand that this can cause frustration for some of our users but we also hope that you can understand the gravity of the situation and why we find it necessary. Not just to protect all of our users from seeing this but also to protect ourselves as a site. That being said we would like input in what image sites we will be whitelisting. While we run a filter over all images uploaded to Lemmy.world itself, this same filter doesn't apply to other sites which leads to the necessity of us having to whitelist sites.

This is a community made by all of us, not just by the admins. Which leads to the second step. We will be looking for more moderators and community members that live in more diverse time zones. We recognize that at the moment it's relatively heavily based between Europe and North America and want to strengthen other time zones to limit any delays as much as humanly possible in the future.

We understand that trust is essential, especially when dealing with something as awful as this, and we appreciate your patience as we work diligently to rectify this situation. Our goal is to create an environment where all users feel secure and respected and more importantly safe. Your feedback is crucial to us, and we encourage you to continue sharing your thoughts and concerns.

Every moment is an opportunity to learn and build, even the darkest ones.

Thank you for your understanding.


Sincerely,

The Lemmy.world Administration

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[โ€“] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What is the complete correct response for users to carry out if they spot CP?

Is just the report button on the post good enough? Is there some kind of higher level report for bigger-than-just-one-instance shit that threatens Lemmy as a whole? Should we call the FBI or some shit?

I haven't come across any here, but if I do, I'd like to be able to aid in swift action against not only the post/account in question, but against the actual person running it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (3 children)

In theory, reporting to the community moderators should be enough for users. It would then be the responsibility of thost moderators to report it to the instance admin, and then the admins responsibility to report it to the instance's local law enforcement. They will then handle it appropriately.

However, sometimes community moderators are corrupt and will ignore reports and even ban users for reporting instance rule breaking content. In those cases, the user must report directly to the instance admin. As you can imagine, instance admins also can be corrupt and therefore the user must report to law enforcement.

But typically the first scenario is sufficient.

[โ€“] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

FYI: admins can see all reports. We currently have a tool running that scans for posts that are reported a lot, which will then notify people who can do something about it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

That seems too slow. Sibling comment by admin is reassuring here.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

You can always report casm to the FBI. You don't need a mod's guidance to do so.

Otherwise report and block.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Report and block should be a correct respond.

Edit: actually also report the user to the instance admin where the user from.

[โ€“] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago

Thanks admins, for taking this seriously.

Take care of yourselves as well. The images sound horrific.

[โ€“] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I think lemmy should allow the moderators to allow only text as posts in their communities, this way people would not be able to troll with images or videos in text-only communities.

It's not the best solution, but it's perfect for AskLemmy.

Maybe this website could use karma as a way to allow people to post images and/or videos. 100 general karma for pictures, 200 for videos, I don't know.

It's just a matter of being creative to avoid this kind of content.

[โ€“] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There are lots of ideas from people, but unfortunately Lemmy software doesn't actually support most of them. And in terms of adding support to Lemmy, well there are just two devs plus community support so if people have the skills they may want to consider contributing code to implement some of these things.

Edit: just adding that some instances are building bots (kinda like an automod) but with 1,000+ instances we kinda need something built in

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I think that's at least partially why that Sublinks fork is starting. It's in Java so the number of people capable of helping is much, much larger.

And while I'm excited to see how that turns out, I've got some reservations, particularly about some of the "moderation tools" being suggested, but if it breathes new life and excitement into a fediverse Reddit replacement, that's a good thing.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

The cool thing about ActivityPub is that we don't have to pick one. Some instances run Kbin, some Mbin, some Lemmy. Some can run Sublinks and everyone gets to interact with each other.

The way federation works, instances can't force their stuff on other instances. If a post on a community on your instance is removed by an admin of a different instance, then you'll still see it on yours and they won't see it on theirs (the exception is if the post is in a community where a moderator of that community or admin of that instance removes it, then it removes it for everyone - though Lemmy still has some quirks in regards to that), so different instances can have different moderation policies and you join one that matches the moderation policy you want.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If people want to help they can contribute to lemmy directly, or write moderation tools in other languages. It won't help anyone to spend 8+ man years of development only to reach feature parity.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Ah yes, the open source way

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Especially make newer accounts text only, then there should be a new idea:

Image posts should not be federated for hours, maybe even a day. That would limit the spread, and provide local mods time to detect and remove content.

[โ€“] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This is exactly what happened in various other "alt-reddit" sites that I was a part of. CSAM is uploaded as a tactic so that they can then contact the registrar of said website and claim that this site is hosting said CSAM.

It's basically a sign of the site becoming more popular and pissing off the larger players.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Yeah we got some request like that and even for a announcement of ours. But we are planning to reduce them.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

Thank you for the transparency! Much appreciation to the volunteers who have had to unfortunately handle this.

That being said we would like input in what image sites we will be whitelisting

Although I am from another instance I did want to suggest some common hosts, while I use Imgbox personally I often see Imgur and Catbox used quite a bit.

Catbox actually appears to actually be a generic temporary file host though, rather than a dedicated image host

[โ€“] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Content moderation is a never-ending battle It gets difficult to enforce the larger your user base becomes. I really hope we can keep this community safe

[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad I missed that, but sorry anyone had to see that.

I hope you will consider whitelisting https://imgbb.com/

It works well with Lemmy posts because it allows direct image linking.

If you're hesitant to whitelist that site, then I hope you will allow https://postimages.org/

The drawback to the latter site is it's ad-ridden (not a problem with uBO).

Both are superior image sharing sites to imgur, IMHO.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I use postimages every day so I hope it will be whitelisted.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I recently switched to imgbb after someone without an adblocker showed me a screenshot of one of my posts, but in my opinion everyone should be using uBlock Origin anyway, so I'd be ok with either option. They're both extremely good image sharing sites.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The trouble is not everyone has an easy way to use an ad blocker - in particular iPhone users.

I mean, they should really just get an Android phone and install Firefox (or a hardened fork) then uBO, but try telling them that.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Hyperweb - my Safari iOS savior, supporting Adblock Plus (thus uBlock Origin) filterlists

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[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Might be some Pixelfed instances worth adding to the list. I've been using pixelfed.de which has its community guidelines here. Haven't had to report anything yet but the process to do so is easy (went through the first couple clicks and hit cancel) and it looks like they've got a way to flag posts for site admin review, not just mods. Seems like a good system to keep that sort of content under control and, though I haven't looked through their documentation and code to confirm, I would be surprised if they didn't have something automated too.

Thank you for doing unpleasant work like this when it comes up.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

There are a lot of PixelFed instances, this might get complicated.

I'd ask for https://miniature.photography but I'm one of only a dozen or so people who post there.

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Lots of posts on the site come from files.catbox.moe and litterbox.catbox.moe -- so I'd probably leave those whitelisted. He has terms against gore, csam, etc - but I don't know if he has any kind of active filtration. It's just a dude running a site; but often times it's just really easy to upload there.

You guys should use this if possible: https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-csam-scanning-tool

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Just FYI, this tool seems to only be available if you live in the US. I tried to apply for my own instance, located in Europe, and my request was denied after a lengthy and frankly tiresome "verification process". This sucks.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

This can only be activated when you are in the USA! So a no go for us.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I've also noticed many links are to catbox but... Am I the only one who can't ever load those? I've never actually had a link to that host work.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

It's sporadic for me. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I don't exactly change anything either and it doesn't seem to be traffic based.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Catbox admin should be given one month to implement one of the several free CSAM filters available. If they have not done so in a month, it's clear they're not a safe resource.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

As another avenue to the report button, could Lemmy world have a new community LemmyWorldSupport_911 where anyone can post and it's monitored by moderators or admins and they can promptly react?. (911 =American number for emergency services)

As part of the community rules, posting for stuff that doesn't warrant a 911 reaction could result an penalties for anyone looking to "prank" it or abuse it's intended purpose.

Some small communities only have one mod and that mod has to sleep.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

(911 =American number for emergency services)

Could also do 112, since Lemmy.world is hosted in Europe :)

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

In Aus, we have 000, triple zero. I think 112 works here too, might just be mobiles though. It used to be triple oh, but some people saw the keypads had letters on them and dialled 777 or whatever number o was on.

I've probably seen too much American media. I'm happy for any, even 0118 999 881 999 119 725 ... 3 but it might be a bit hard to learn.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Iโ€™m planning on making something like that, but am first focussing on improving the features we already have.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Do we know the site they used to host the CSAM? Can't we try and get whoever runs those servers to get this troll. Cause if they got one CSAM I bet they have a bunch. Maybe the FBI can raid them and help save some kids from these monsters.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Damn, this broken record again? That sucks, and I'm sorry you had to see that.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That being said we would like input in what image sites we will be whitelisting.

I'd like to suggest postimages(dot)org. I've been using that site since leaving reddit/imgur over the summer. They seem to be a good free service (although they do offer a premium tier) and according to their 'about us' section they've been operating for 20 years.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

As one of the smaller instance admins who had to deal with the content.. one of the image host was postimg.cc, so I'm not sure how fast they take down the content or if they run some kind of filtering.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Well that's disturbing to hear. I figured if they've been around that long they'd have worked out effective tools to combat that stuff. But I suppose that might be a naive assumption, it must be a constant issue for image hosting services.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

You have also implemented a ban on any contribution from a VPN without announcing it. It has been very annoying to figure out.

Please do announce these kind of changes and limitations you implement publicly unless you absolutely cannot.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In [email protected] we use stahmaxffcqankienulh.supabase.co for the images, could it be whitelisted?

Edit: community typo corrected

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