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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Saw this story. Title should be 'Idiot dies of starvation after not consuming vital nutrients.'

I've been vegan for years, I respect vegans who take their diet seriously, but this woman didn't. She took ideology seriously.

You can't just eat anything and expect to be ok.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The title should be "Influencer dies after contracting cholera-like disease and refusing medical help."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Are you suggesting a Murdoch-owned press might have printed something misleading?!?!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Not to brag but I pretty much eat anything and get by...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yikes, pretty mean to call her an idiot. Seems like a high probability she was suffering from an eating disorder and/or other mental health issues. Most people don't starve themselves to death out of stupidity.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Her official cause of death wasn't revealed. Her diet did seem risky but too early to link it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have my doubts, it's not a great variety I'm nutrients and it wouldn't be an ideal overall diet, but I am very doubtful that it killed her.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Her diet was severely lacking in vital nutrients. When you have so much fibre and so little dense calories, for a decade, that adds up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Eh true but considering she didn't drink water (only coconut) and caught some cholera disease, well, that's a recipe for disaster. That would be dangerous no matter for how long what kind of diet, cholera dehydrates you fast and you need to replenish electrolytes too.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but the immediate cause of death will be something else.

As an example, smoking generally does not kill you. It prepares your body to be trivially killed a by a plethora of other things, such as cancer or 2 tons in the face when you were distracted while driving because your cig well into your lap. But the smoking itself isn't the proximate cause of the death.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

She probably just didn’t eat enough. Apparently she only ate jackfruit. You can definitely stay healthy with fruit and veggies but you need to eat a lot of it and take B12 supplements. Especially if you don’t eat high carb food like potatoes or rice, since most vegetables aren’t very energy dense.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

many of her devoted followers refused to believe her eating choices led to her death, instead claiming that she was killed by chemicals in the fruit she ate.

The durians fought back!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean she lasted 10 years on the diet, is the diet really to blame or is cholera to blame? Like I guess maybe she didn't wash a few of them thoroughly enough and caught it? It does raise a lot of questions.

She definitely doesn't look healthy in the later photos, but is that because she's sick? There isn't really enough information provided in the article other than her friends being concerned.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I mean she lasted 10 years on the diet, is the diet really to blame or is cholera to blame? Like I guess maybe she didn’t wash a few of them thoroughly enough and caught it? It does raise a lot of questions.

The answer is "Yes". And no it doesn't raise a lot of questions, tbh.

If you eat badly - no matter which way - your body is automatically weaker and less able to withstand hardship.

Make it weak enough, and then find the right hardship, and congralations, you are now dead.

Note that both of these are on a sliding scale: You can eat 100% healthy, a hardship such as a nuclear bomb exploding while pressed on your eyeball will still do you in. You can have the worst of diets for years, and as long as nothing at all immediately threatens you, you'll survive. And somewhere in between, Zhanna managed to make her body weak enough that a simple cholera infection did her in.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So really her diet being vegan is only because she ate 1 type of food for 7 years... Thats nothing to do with being vegan, it has everything to do with being silly.

But ofc British tabloids are always there just to cause controversy and not offer any real value to spread information.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Thank you! A better title would be "Influencer dies of malnutrition induced by eating disorder"

Which is something we should talk about but not blame on the vEgaNS

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

From the Post article :

A proponent of uncooked herbivorous fare, the Kasan native claimed she ate a “completely raw vegan diet” for the last four years, consuming just “fruits, sunflower seed sprouts, fruit smoothies, and juices.”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Looking at her stick figure arms, she starved herself like every other person with an eating disorder. Just that her disorder was disguised as "a food choice" and that she had a huge following that did not help her even at a point when everyone could see her melting away not just the family. I hope people who cheered her on feel bad now, but they probably just change to the next person with an eating disorder.

Being vegan or eating a more special diet is not a problem as long as you get a regular check up at your doctor, have a basic knowledge about nutrition and monitor your weight so it stays at a healthy point, she clearly didn't. She consulted her fans instead. Sad. My heart goes out to her family and friends.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It looks like the cause of death should be mental illness

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Friends also said she refused to get medical attention before her death, and described how she was bed bound and struggled to walk, according to local media.

They also claimed she had not drunk any water for six years, choosing instead to drink fruit and vegetable juice.

What a dumb way to die. It's totally possible to be fine on a plant based diet but definitely not if you only eat raw fruit and vegetables without even drinking water.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Archive link: https://archive.li/EYhPc

It's mostly tabloid press covering this story, but here's one slightly more legitimate source I found: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/01/zhanna-samsonova-tiktok-instagram-vegan-diet-dies/
(archive link: https://archive.li/Pz4S8)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Vegans don't drink water now?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Odd question... How is an influencers death "world news"? Or is "world news" synonymous with "News published somewhere other than the US"?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Crazy.. Just being a vegan without consuming carbs and water?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

She ate vegetables and fruits, those have a ton of carbs and water.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Darwin law. Nature will weed out the idiots.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Eat a steak, Sideshow Bob!