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A less hypocritical Catholic Church would be nice. I wish Francis luck, he’ll need it to push the right wing of the church to be less shitty.
I'll take one that actually does something about it's pedo problem.
But why would anyone beome a priest then?
I am an (agnostic) atheist, but let's be clear: not all priests are pedophiles, this is a huge exaggeration. But I still think they should be able to marry and have children, like normal people. And I believe that this would at least stop some of them doing pedophilic acts.
Pedos are going to pedo, but if you only recruit from an audience of people that are actively trying to avoid romantic adult relationships, I imagine going to have a higher percentage of pedos in that group.
By allowing priests to marry, be LGBTQ+, etc, you’re going to have fewer open seats at the alter for pedos.
Free room and board? They don’t even hold you to a vow of poverty, the Monsignor at my (former) diocese drove a Mercedes, just like Jesus would have wanted for him.
They started the Church of England so that the king could get a divorce. Now they're probably gonna start the Church of New England to force their wives to stay with their toxic asses.
My family is super Catholic & conservative. They hate the Pope and it’s so weird - growing up in Catholic school, one good thing I’ll say is that we were educated in almost every aspect of that religion and its history.
So even though I can’t remember the last time I was in a church, I do remember shit like “the pope can talk to god”.
Now, of course it’s bullshit, but I have to assume that’s the premise we start from here. If so, shut the fuck up. He talks to god. End of story.
And somewhat related - they’re MAGA types. They like their dictators. Fuck off. This is what you get.
Yeah, before my grandma passed, she was a devout roman catholic, and even earned some award for her service to the church (she still volunteered in her mid 90s)
But, when the pope was criticizing Trumps border concentration camps, she said, "The pope needs to mind his own business." It's wild.
She wasn't a Maga type, but she was absolutely a bigot and not a nice person.
The only moral [disagreement with the Vatican] is my [disagreement with the Vatican].
That’s a bingo!
I think that many of these types see Trump as God himself (or Jesus maybe) so his views outrank the pope. That's how much of an unhinged cult MAGA has become.
I don't like that popes exist. I'm pretty sure if we took proper care of all people, religion would poof away in short order. That said, if popes have to exist this guy is a wonderful Pope. He's not dismantling the place from the inside or anything but he is pushing them to be decent people. He's pushing them to make more sympathetic decisions. We just look at this more shocking public statements and go well f*** yeah why doesn't everybody say this, but for him in the position where he is he doesn't have to and it's kind of a big deal that he does.
He's still calling birth control "morally unacceptable", continuing the anti-condom and therefore pro-aids rhethoric of the church.
I always assumed the no BC was because the church wants more members to grow up and hopefully tithe more. Either way the results being what they are and the church not using their position to inform and care for their people is a valid complaint.
I'm not a religious person, but I think some views in this thread are coming off a bit narcissistic and ignorant. Religion has been a large part of humanity for literally forever, and people can't expect it to just go away completely. People turn to religion for comfort, often when they won't receive it in other ways. There will always be someone in the world who needs religion, and we all need to coexist. The important thing here is he is attempting to drive his members to be empathetic and improve moral compass. Just be grateful for that at least. People expect too much.
you never would have heard this come from the church, let alone the Pope 20 years ago. I don't know why people can't be happy that at least one religion is at least trying to be relevant and adapt to the times, and be more tolerant and inclusive. can't say the same about every religion unfortunatly
and people can't expect it to just go away completely.
At least 79% went away. Only 1% of my country's population visited churches for christmas. For 20% of people who claim to belive in something other than sky fossil I have no data.
still catholic. still the pope. no matter how progressive he may seem.
I mean....yeah? Did you think progress was going to come from the outside? Someone's gotta make an effort to steer the ship the right way.
Fucks sake im so tired of you jaded militant shitbirds. It is constantly 120% with you fucks. Its always "agree with my personal breakdown of reality and morality or you are all complete garbage" nonsense. Progress doesnt happen on your schedule you shithead.
Nuance and context motherfucker. Do you understand it?
Man, I thought I was on crazy pills with the lack of nuance here. Everything is black and white with no room for gray or context…
I’m digging the past few days. There have been a number of posts and comments calling it out. The fact that your comment has positive upvotes is a good sign and surprising.
There's no progressive religion (I am not including Buddhism). They all say that their religion promotes peace and tolerance but they still believe in what written in their sacred book and won't change a thing.
Even the Buddhists are committing a genocide against Muslims in Myanmar.
Don't you think a progressive pope can do a lot of good though especially compared to a traditionalist pope?
He's WRONG and should be PUNISHED!
-Christofacists who want their Religious Leaders to write the Laws.
People who act shocked that a priest would bless a gay couple but have no problem with him blessing a crooked businessman are hypocrites, Pope Francis said.
Did something come up about priests blessing crooked businessmen, or is he just speaking in general terms?
Well, in the Bible, I know there were at least a few stories where Jesus didn't take too kindly to what would be a modern day businessman.
The one where Jesus goes into a rage because a bunch of merchants set up shop in the courtyard(? Or maybe they took over the whole temple? Idk it's been awhile) of a temple comes to mind
Based.
When even Pope, a person normally in charge of maintaining a rather conservative society, tells you so, you know it's time to act