Wes4Humanity

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Leftists/progressives say "the reason for all of that is the oligarchy hoarding all the resources, so we need to start with stopping them from doing that"

Liberals kinda want the same things as progressives, but they don't want to "hurt " the rich to get it. But of course if 5 people are hoarding literally everything the only way to get more for everyone is to take it from those 5 people. Liberals just can't get themselves to take that next step.

(This is US liberal btw, might be different in Europe)

The global oligarchy is evil. The US is full of schmucks allowing themselves to be used by the oligarchy to commit atrocities... Same as China, same as Russia, etc. I suppose it depends where you draw the line for "evil"... Are you evil for carrying out evil orders or just the person giving the orders is evil? What about the person who feeds the person carrying out the orders, are they evil too? How about the bus driver who drives the cook to the place where s/he feeds the person carrying out the orders?

If you take it far enough, one could say that as long as evil is allowed to occur anywhere on earth, we are all evil through complicity

O ye of little profit

Imagine it's 7500bce... Most humans are still hunter gatherers but in a few places people have started banding together to form cities. The world is savage, hard, and dangerous. Life is short and cheap, and just like chimpanzees today don't feel any moral qualms about murdering rival troop members, humans hadn't really evolved socially to the point of thinking of all humans as inherently "special" or worthy of life... Some could say we still haven't all evolved to this point.

In that context what we were left with was a bunch of sociopaths. And no wonder. Most people would be somewhat sociopathic if their siblings died in infancy or were carried off to be slaves or eaten by wolves, their parents were murdered in front of them, their village was slaughtered and burned, etc. So these city people, and soon the surrounding people's, saw sociopathic behavior as normal and even something to be worshipped. (Again, some of us still do)

Sociopaths don't hesitate to harm other people to increase their own power and wealth, even when they don't really need anything more to live comfortably. In a world where might makes right, this was a huge advantage and the most horrible and brutal sociopaths rose to become kings of their city states.

There is some evidence that hunter gatherers groups would occasionally get a sociopath among them, but more often than not that person would be shunned and banished from the family. It was only when cities became a thing that there were tons of people from many families, so even if you're family kicked you out, you could just find other sociopaths who had been kicked out, and together you could just kill anyone who denied you.

There's also the fact that as soon as people started settling down and using agriculture to create excess food, the hunter gatherers around them started trying to take that food because hey, free food. So then you need to start defending your food stores, and again sociopaths rise to the top because they are the most ruthless "defenders".

Those sociopathic traits continued in the ruling class throughout all of human pre history and history. Right down to today where people continue to worship the sociopaths like Musk, Trump, or even Hillary. It's a childish thought process of "my dad can beat up your dad", which makes me feel safer, even if sometimes my dad also beats me.

Edit: just to add that the only reason we can even have this conversation is because, for the first time in human history, large swaths of the human population HAVE socially evolved to the point of recognizing innate human value, and thus can also recognize sociopathic behavior

What if we glorify horrible contemporary people because we're taught to glorify sociopathic behavior through how we're taught about historical horrible people?

God... Imagine having to be his therapist... Anyone who's able to make even a little progress with him would deserve a Nobel prize

Begs the question: who's getting paid the difference right now? And how much are they paying which elected officials?

All true, but begs the question: why did every other country vote yes? The oligarchy knows they only need to control the US vote to stop something like this?

Can't afford food? Eat a bullet pleb!

All wealth is created by workers... Any wealth used for the good of all society is coming from the workers same as all profit does. No need to add the middleman... Just charge it all to the corporations... First our work pays for society, only what's left over after should be considered profit

Eliminate all taxes on individuals, charge the whole bill for a functioning society to the corporations (preferably at the same ratio as the corporations make profit, ie if a company makes 10% of all the profit that quarter they pay 10% of the bill)... We the people democratically decide what all is included in a functioning society