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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

All the best to you and the team, I understand it can be rough. But similarly, I think most of what you wrote could just as well have been written by a Lemmy maintainer:

I think a lot of folks don’t realize how hard it is... All we ever really wanted was a nice place for folks to express themselves... The whole team here has dumped 1000’s of hours into keeping this thing alive. It’s just rough to see the comments here.

Lemmy devs are in exactly the same position, and reading the comments in this thread, I am getting the vibe that lemmy.world admins are not willing to see this. Just check the messaging your admins are putting out there (even in the comments under this post), imagine reading that messaging as a Lemmy dev, and tell me it wouldn't feel just as rough.

Btw, I think a clear source of all the negative comments here is not the fact that Sublinks is being developed. Every time Sublinks gets advertised on Lemmy, there is this toxic "finally we can get rid of the original Lemmy dev team" messaging along with it - sometimes it is more hidden between the lines, other times, it's very blatant. This messaging inevitably creates uncertainty in users about the future of their instances. THAT'S the real issue here, at least from my point of view.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

Considering that Lemmy is an open source project which is being built collectively by a big community, your comment sounds extremely strange. You are basically saying "we did not do enough testing for the 0.19.3 release, and we accept none of the blame for it."

Edit: The more I think about your comment, the more strange it becomes.. you guys are literally running the biggest instance, but rather than participate in the testing of big releases, you let smaller instances do it for you and then complain if nobody else is testing it at your scale. Your comments would be completely understandable if this was a paid product, but come on... Just think about it, would you also have this kind of approach for IRL community projects?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my experience, it's extremely fringe and basically completely taboo to be pro-communism in Estonia. Disco Elysium is definitely a point of pride for many Estonian video game enjoyers, but even so, when discussing the authors, Estonians get super awkward about their communism. The general vibe I've seen is something like "ZA/UM can be forgiven for having a few screws loose, they're artists after all" etc.

 

I will focus on Estonia, as that's where I grew up, but I assume this topic is also very relevant to the other Baltic nations.

For my whole life, I have heard horrible stories about Soviet occupiers. I have yet to meet a single person in real life who actually believed in communism or socialism, despite being raised in Soviet times and spending a lot of their childhood learning about Lenin, Stalin, etc.

I always knew that there are people out there (especially in other ex-soviet countries) who remember the USSR fondly, but I always assumed that this was more about nationalism than anything else, like "oh man it sure was great when we had a powerful military and a strong presence on the world stage". It has been a serious culture shock to discover that the leaders of the Soviet union actually seem to have believed in the project, and that elsewhere in the union, the people seem to have believed in it as well! It really gives me a new perspective on Soviet nostalgia.

Meanwhile in the Baltic countries, and especially in Estonia, all age groups, including the very elderly, treat our Soviet past as an extremely dark time in our history. Just take a look at Estonia here compared to other nations: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/06/29/in-russia-nostalgia-for-soviet-union-and-positive-feelings-about-stalin/

When discussing this with older people, or when I hear Soviet times discussed in general, I always hear statements like:

  • Almost everybody had family members or friends deported or killed (a part of the Estonian population was deported early in the occupation under the guise of being kulaks and nationalists, except the vast majority were women and children)
  • People lost their ancestral homes and were forced into tiny apartments shared with other families
  • There were constant shortages of food - you had to know somebody in the party or somebody working in a shop to get any actual variety in your meals
  • In general, everything was super corrupt, being "well-connected" meant you had a much easier life
  • Our culture was being deleted, we were not allowed to sing our songs, discuss a lot of our history, etc
  • People felt that they had lost their dignity and were not treated in a humane way

Conversely, I have not really heard many (or really any that I can remember) positive statements.

So this is something I have been thinking about for the past few days, and it's not a topic that I can generally find a lot previous unbiased discussions on online (I guess because at the end of the day, the Baltic nations are absolutely tiny).

So: what actually went wrong? Why did communist ideology not manage to take root within the minds of the Baltic people? Maybe others here have some interesting perspectives.

One thought I have had myself:

Estonia was never a colonial power, we were in fact serfs, with other nations like Sweden, Denmark and Russia taking turns at ruling us. So when the Soviet union marched in with their army, the Estonian people only saw it as another exploitative ruler, with no interest in hearing anything about socialism. Nevertheless, this doesn't really explain why several generations growing up in the Soviet union never learned to appreciate socialism.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't get me wrong, I get it now, I'm just saying that when I first came to Hexbear, I was confused

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I think oppressed and exploited people have no need to be civil, but on the other hand, I don't think it's right to say that people who are alienated by "uncivil" posts on Lemmy were never really friends (I am extending your "dems" to include Lemmy users here, I hope I'm not misrepresenting your point) - I think a lot of them have good intentions and would probably support socialism if they understood it. Maybe I'm naive, but I've noticed several times seemingly decent people on Lemmy having negative opinions about Hexbear. Just recently, I saw one person calling Hexbear "tankies", and then in another thread the same person was calling for the elimination of millionaires. They're just a few steps away from being a "tankie" themselves, and they just don't realise it because they are missing some key information.

I was saying in another thread before, I think having a friendly "intro to Hexbear" type page or post would be awesome, because it could be shown to confused Lemmy users who don't understand Hexbear yet.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I really think it's an honest misunderstanding, fueled by wrong first impressions.

Even for myself, the first time I opened hexbear.net a few months ago, I immediately saw some post about Trump on the front page, and a bunch of posts and comments criticising liberals. I completely misunderstood what was going on here, I also thought that it's some kind of right wing circlejerk. This misunderstanding was later reinforced by reading comments elsewhere on Lemmy calling Hexbear a Putin supporter instance, troll instance, etc.

I only started questioning my understanding when I started noticing some sincere comments by Hexbear users, and eventually I realised that you guys have pretty much the same worldview as I do (in terms of the rich only being rich because they exploit the poor etc).

It can really take some effort on the part of external users to figure out what's going on in here, and from my own experience, I think it's extremely easy to get the wrong idea.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is there any generic "intro to Hexbear" post somewhere that I can point other people to when explaining what Hexbear is?

I think there are a lot of people on Lemmy who would fundamentally agree with most of the values held by Hexbear users, but they never give it a chance because of some bad first impression (either they are told by others that Hexbear users are all just trolls, or maybe they even get called a fascist or something like that by somebody with @hexbear in their name).

Would be great if there was some better intro. Does such a thing exist already? I tried searching but did not find anything.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Heck yeah! I lived in a city with a bunch of architecture like that, always hear people saying how ugly it is, but I love it so much. Nice to meet another fan.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So many tech YouTubers are overrated, but one who really stands out to me is JayzTwoCents. Somehow I have several memories of clicking on one of his videos and being shocked at him being confidently incorrect about something. I no longer click on his videos at all.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Behold, the result of 4 hours of careful ship design: https://imgur.com/a/ZbfD8tN

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, they’re also fedded with exploding heads, but I’ve never actually seen a post from there.

Exploding heads has been shut down, because nobody on Lemmy wanted to accept their bullshit (they made a long post about it before they finally closed), so actually nobody is federated with them anymore

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think all humans are selfish af, different cultures just have different ways of expressing that selfishness

 

This immediately made me think of the recent lemm.ee meta post, where several people were not getting what Russian propaganda looks like from the point of view of Baltic states

 

Please let me know if this community is not the best place for this post.

When I was a teenager, and even in my twenties, I used to be quite idealistic, naive, and somewhat radical, believing that all humans have the capacity to be good, and that the only thing preventing utopia where all live in abundance were the historical shackles of national/cultural/religious identities. As in, humans would for sure all get along, if only there were no major reasons for any "us vs them" type thinking.

But the older I get, the more my thoughts on the topic have shifted. My idealism has constantly been worn down by finding out about more and more people who would be happy to fuck over every single other person on this planet if it meant they could get a bit further "ahead" than everybody else. But even on a much smaller scale, after establishing my own family and building my home, at some point I realised that I would personally also be willing to go to extreme lengths if necessary to protect the way of life of my loved ones, including picking up a gun if our neighbouring country decides we should no longer have our freedom - this is something I would have considered "idiotic patriotism" when I was younger. Basically, this means I would also be willing to fuck up the lives of others in order to improve the lives of my family, and I think the same is true for most people.

What I'm getting at is that I think there are lots of reasons that people can have to hurt other humans, ranging from psychotic greed to a strong commitment to close ones. I think this is just human nature. I'm using the word "hurt" here in a very broad sense, including taking advantage of somebody, etc.

If indeed this is human nature, and humans are willing to exploit others to try and improve the situation for themselves and their loved ones, how can communism work? Would we not need to "evolve" to a new stage of humanity first, where people are capable of putting the needs of society above their own desires?

I apologise if this is a dumb question with some obvious answer, I admit I have not read any books on communism and am probably missing some key points.

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