So you're cool with 1500 Israel's dying, including parents and children who were raped and brutalized, unborn cut from their pregnant mother and killed, parents shot dead in front of their children, and all of it uploaded to Facebook? You're good with that?
hotdaniel
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No, I pretty explicitly call out Hamas, it's all their in my comment. Run away if you want. You realize Hamas is Palestinian?
That's correct.
They wouldn't condemn Hamas or the Oct 7th attacks, however.
As I've said from the start, what I'm criticizing is that those who call for ceasefire or for free Palestine, are implicitly ignoring the effects of the outcome they're calling for. What happens to the Palestinian people if they lay down their arms? Peace or war? What happens to Israel if they lay down their arms? Peace or war?
Those who call for peace in the face of an enemy sworn to kill all Jews and destroy Israel, these people are not calling for peace at all. They are rallying against Israel and demanding its destruction. You have no solution to offer for the problem of Hamas, yet you insist Israel allow them to continue to exist, knowing that they will simply plan more attacks in the future. You do not want peace.
If you said black people were too incompetent to free themselves from slavery you'd be racist.
If you say Palestinians are too incompetent to win any wars then you're racist.
Nope, that's a factual statement. Stating facts isn't racist. Racism involves subjective bias. What I said was, the Palestinian people are unable or unwilling to teach their children to want peace, so this war, like the wars before it, is the consequence. If your enemy raises their children to be soldiers, you destroy their soldiers.
So might is right. If the Nazis won world war two, do you think they should be allowed to do what ever the fuck they want to conquered peoples because they won?
No, might does not make right, but it does decide the outcome. Israel has the might, and Palestinians keep attacking them. Fuck around and find out. Israel will not allow Palestinians to endlessly attack their citizens and threaten their nation. Now they're going to do something about it, so keep crying the team you like threw punches and picked a fight with someone they can't win against. I, for one, am not crying.
You keep saying palestinian children are threats and Israel should be allowed to destroy any threat even if its not imminent (contradicting international law but hey ho) then saying oh but children aren't actually being targeted, they're just dying in large numbers because of IDF whoopsies.
You realize children grow up into Hamas fighters and they're still somebody's child? I wasn't talking about literal children. I'm saying that is somebody's child running around with an AK going door to door murdering Israeli civilians. The Palestinian people, if they cared about the life of their children, could have raised them to want peace. They failed. Now their children are soldiers, and for that, they've set their children up to die. That's on the Palestinians, not on Israel. Peace will come when the Palestinians love their children and care for their future more than they hate Jews and Israel.
It's up to the rich and right now they have all the power to ignore the impact.
Again this is you saying Palestinian children are threats and that Israel is justified to remove threats
No, but leave it to a terrorist supporter to lie and misrepresent what I said. I meant exactly what I said, and only that. Apparently, the Palestinian people are unable or unwilling to raise their children to desire peace. The result is Hamas. Never did I say I support killing children, unless you are saying that Hamas is made of children. What I literally said in the comment you quoted is that Israel is there to destroy Hamas and all who support them. If you believe there are children supporting Hamas, you're agreeing with my earlier point, that the Palestinians don't love their children enough to put them on a path of peace.
Nice racism
Nice dodging the point. Just because in talking about a group of people, and even about how that group has failed in a certain way, doesn't make it racism. It is apparent that the Palestinians will not or cannot stop their children from attacking Israel. This war is the consequence of that. You don't punch the big bear standing next to you and expect to be free from consequences.
Yes personally, I'm pro-palestine which means I'm anti-israel not anti-israeli. The state built on fascism and oppression is what needs destroyed not the people. Nice of you to shoehorn the old if your anti-israel you are antisemitic, really filling up my Zionist bingo card.
Great, so like I said from the start, you're advocating for peace except your advocacy really means Israel should be destroyed. Israel gets attacked by terrorists and the result is that you think they should be destroyed. You don't repeatedly start wars, lose those wars, and then get to dictate terms to the winning army. Israel is, at least in principle, a democracy. If you want to take out fascist dictators oppressing people, you should be looking at Hamas, you know, the literal terrorists killing Gazan civilians and blaming it on Israel.
You insult your own intelligence to call these people anti-israeal or pro-palestine. They are pro-peace. We can both say they are wrong but they mean well.
No, they're pro-ignorance is what they are. There can be no peace when one side has sworn to destroy Israel and kill all Jews. Go to Hamas and beg for peace, go on. These people say they want peace, but what happens when Israel lays down their weapons? These calls for peace are an empty call for Israel to do something it cannot do if it wants security for its people. As such, these are not calls for peace, these are calls to rally against Israel and ignore the terrorism of Hamas.
You would rather pretend there's no uncertainty with numbers reported by Hamas? Really? Do you remember when the hospital blunder happened and the Hamas Health Ministry immediately reported 500 dead? They had to walk that number back. You speak a lot about the volume of bombs dropped, while ignoring why those bombs are dropped. Hamas attacks from behind civilian infrastructure, using Palestinians as human shields, as you know. Israel is being attacked, and they have the right to defend themselves. Sorry that upsets you. There could be peace if the Palestinians loved their children enough to raise them to not join terrorist groups. Apparently, they will not or cannot. Either way, this is the consequence.