this post was submitted on 21 May 2024
159 points (100.0% liked)
chapotraphouse
13395 readers
747 users here now
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Vaush posts go in the_dunk_tank
Dunk posts in general go in the_dunk_tank, not here
Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from the_dunk_tank
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
what's wrong if some people use rhetoric that rejects misandry vs. not then? clearly the former still works or there wouldn't be people advocating it here
but i'll explain how this discourse functions anyway: misandry is semantically coequal to misogyny. they have the same prefix and suffix, they're used the same way. it is not unreasonable to think these equivalent words describe equivalent things, that's how words usually work. what i want to avoid is validating this, because it does not reflect reality. in rejecting misandry, we hop over the semantic hurdle and contextualize struggles of men in the system of oppression they live in, where it is never unclear whose oppression is salient--patriarchy.
"Misandry doesn't exist" is a debatable position that gets you little or nothing even if you win the argument. From what I've seen, statements like this also lead to unproductive turns like "and if you disagree you're a reactionary" in a way "misandry is a symptom of patriarchy" doesn't.
Fair point, but it's easily cleared up by saying that misogyny exists systematically in a way misandry doesn't.
i don't think this thread would have so many comments if this was true![emoji agony-soviet agony-soviet](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/c909ff71-ea77-47f7-bc44-7c2c4351e9c4.png)
in any case i don't think we're fundamentally at odds having chased this argument into the very small redoubt of 'what pedagogy works best', i won't complain if you teach a man to be less shit with "misandry is a symptom of patriarchy"![emoji stalin-heart stalin-heart](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0b61630a-6c52-4407-ae82-f388c0d0f668.png)
Another fine day on Hexbear!