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US campus protests: Hillary Clinton fails to grasp the moral power of this turning tide
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2016 was awful...it was like choosing between breaking some ribs or a breaking a femur. It was going to suck no matter what. Turns out the femur break was a compound fracture that had gangrene set in.
In retrospect do I wish she had won? Yes. Definitely. On the other hand, that might have meant a 2020 Trump victory.
Unless she really embraced the progressive wing of the party and really moved the country forward in terms of resolving home ownership, income stagnation, or health care in an impactful way, I can't imagine her getting a second term.
I voted for her, but i seriously held my nose while doing it. I volunteered for Obama, but i didn't for Hilary. I was demotivated by the polls saying she was a sure thing, and by me seriously not liking her as a person and many of her political positions. She was obviously way better than Trump, but man was she a crappy candidate.
What political positions didn't you like when she was running?
I'm not OP, but for me, it was her verse Bernie. She felt like voting for the status quo and would likely not bring about any big changes. She might have beought about some good chnages but to me, I got the vibe she just wanted her moment and the title of first female president. Maybe I'm wrong but she just felt like the corporate choice. On the other hand there was Bernie. Yes, another old white guy, but this one actually felt genuine and made me feel like he could actually change things (though the house and senate might have something to say about that). Plus just look at his history. Dude was a stand up guy and never changed. That all being said, I still voted Hilary when Bernie lost to her because I knew trump was going to be horrible for this country.
I also voted for Bernie and then for Hillary. But I think Hillary did just have bad feels built against her for 30 years.
This is how you know you've fallen for propaganda. Almost every single time I ask about Hillary's policy positions, the people who hate Hillary either spout some right wing conspiracy bs or they just talk about "vibes".
(There's the occasional leftist who actually knows what her policy positions are but 95% of the times it's bs or vibes)
They did exactly what Putin & the GOP hoped they would do. Think about "vibes" instead of the 5 different ways she was going to raise taxes on the wealthy.
Where in my post did I say I hate Hilary? I said it was her vs Bernie for me and I preferred Bernie. Nowhere did I say I hated her. I remember looking at what they stood for and their history, and I preferred Bernie. I'm not going to comment on specific policy positions from 8 years ago. I dont remember that shit. Maybe you can in which case I'm jealous of your memory. But I do remember general feelings which is why I said what I did.
You are prolly right about if someone bases their opinion alone on feelings, then it's likely heavily influenced by propaganda. But I did mention Bernies history and what he stood for. I didn't specifically mention Hilarys though. But I did look at that stuff at the time. I just remember feelings better than specifics.
That being said, you also can't judge someone alone based on their policies. They are politicians. There's a decent chance they will lie and say what they think people want to hear with no intent to follow through. So you have to also look at their history. And I also like to look at how they speak. Do they feel genuine? Of course they could be amazing liars. But I think feelings/gut instinct do have a role to play. It's just not as important as their history and policies. And for me, Bernie checked all 3 of those boxes better than Hilary did.
That's fair, it was 8 years ago. But 8 years ago, few people cared about her policies either.
This is almost exactly my opinion