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A space for masculine folks to talk about living under patriarchy.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The idea of a dating site where they're all like "yep black people and Hispanics and middle eastern folk are all ok to me, it's just the Asians and nothing else" is pretty bad NGL. No dude, they get treated just the same.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I knew this shitty comic is complete bullshit as soon as I saw that checkmark next to Black. Absolutely nobody who isn't Black is online dating other Black people while simultaneously unchecking Asian for extremely obvious racist reasons. Do I need to link that notorious now-deleted OKCupid article about how race affects the messages you get? Notice how surprise, surprise, Black people get shitted on more than any other racial group once again. But this simple fact is awfully inconvenient with the particular narrative this comic is trying to espouse, that of the Asian man being uniquely disadvantaged in dating.

Why are so many people here falling for some shitty comic shitted out by some probably-not-even-Asian incel?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean Asian men are ranked lowest by women, and black women are ranked lowest by men (according to that OKCupid article you were talking about):

Rudder wrote that user data showed that most men on the site rated black women as less attractive than women of other races and ethnicities. Similarly, Asian men fell at the bottom of the preference list for most women.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/09/575352051/least-desirable-how-racial-discrimination-plays-out-in-online-dating

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have quite a few Asian guy friends, and many of them gripe about this. Also I can't get over the number of women (Asian, white, whatever) that say that they don't date Asian men. I legit think this is a real thing that disproportionately affects Asian guys.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Pretty easy to go on dating sites rn and see things like "no darkies" or other wording that makes it clear they don't date any minority so it's not just Asian guys.