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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Blisterexe to c/[email protected]
 

Repost from r/firefox:

Right. I'm getting tired of seeing people dump on Firefox and Mozilla about this thing in the release notes:

Firefox now supports the experimental Privacy Preserving Attribution API, which provides an alternative to user tracking for ad attribution. This experiment is only enabled via origin trial and can be disabled in the new Website Advertising Preferences section in the Privacy and Security settings.

What is this? And why is it not something to get heated about?

Attribution is how advertisers know how to pay the right site owner when someone clicks on their ad. It's important for ad-supported sites that clicks get attributed.

Right now, attribution is basically incompatible with protecting privacy. Advertisers use every method of tracking you can name, and some you can't, to provide accurate attribution.

The Privacy Preserving Attribution API is an experimental way of informing an advertiser that someone clicked on an ad on a given site without leaking that it was you, specifically, who did that. Specifically, ads using the API ask Firefox to remember that they were seen, on what sites, and to what sites they lead. Then, when the user visits the destination site, the destination site asks Firefox to generate a report and submit it via a separate service that mixes your report with reports from other people and forwards these aggregated reports in large batches. Any traces that might be unique to you are lost in the crowd.

This is still experimental, being enabled by Mozilla on a site-by-site basis as developers request it. It's not a free-for-all yet, and I can only find one entry on Bugzilla of a site who's requested it.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

what I’ve seen so far is that the heat isn’t against the API, it’s against it being shipped enabled by default (opt-out rather than opt-in)

[–] Blisterexe 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Itd be useless opt-in though, why would companies adopt something that only a small minority uses

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're just supporting the point.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, he's illustrating that opt in is the best of both worlds here. Users get protections of privacy and advertisers get the info that they need while not being able to violate the privacy of people visiting a website.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Based on what you've written it seems you're assuming:

  • Users will get any protections from this.
  • That giving advertisers what they need is considered a win by everyone.
  • Advertisers aren't just going to do exactly what they did with the "Do not track" option.
  • Attribution is the only thing they are using the collected data for.
  • This will somehow disable their ability to collect fingerprinting data.

I'm not generally one for absolutes but i would put a significant portion of my current and future earnings on the fact that even if there was 100% adoption of this new privacy preserving by everyone in the world, advertisers would still be pulling some shit.

They would be performing elaborate privacy ignoring shenanigans because privacy gets them nothing and data is potential profit.

AdTech companies have a rich history of doing absolutely everything they can to profit from anything they can, it is naive to think they will so anything different in the future.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People like you 🤡 are exhausting. Time to Just block and move on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

Feel free, if you can't deal with counterpoints to something as basic as this, a full conversation is probably off the table anyway.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's a requirement of being usable however. It has to be the default.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

@Carighan @cerement personal data slurping has to be opt in the EU however. So not sure how #noyb etc will feel.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it's not personal, though. that's the point

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@kuneho Meta is not inventing this out of the goodness of it's heart. Just like how Google privacy sandbox is a fruit of a poisoned tree, the idea should be treated with extreme caution. If not, well, the NSA have a great new encryption standard they'd love you to use too.

#paranoid

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

From my understanding this is only a value add in terms of privacy? It's basically just asking every site to use this more private form of attribution, so I don't believe there's any more personal data being collected, it's just trying to send it in a more anonymized way if a given site supports it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

This would very likely be considered anonymized data, which means it is not personal data and the GDPR does not apply.