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And where were the calls to primary anyone that would vote against it?
You're coming across like you just like to rage without actually paying attention.
Voters had been calling for a primary challenge to both for basically the entirety of Biden's term (since some of the earliest legislative efforts with reconciliation bills including a minimum wage increase, I believe), up until they both registered as Independent and neither are running for re-election, so the primary became moot. However, the W. Virginia seat (Manchin's) is likely to go R this year, so that doesn't help us for things like judicial appointments where Manchin was reliable. Arizona (Sinema's seat) we have a chance.
Calls to primary are irrelevant when those same people would head to the polls and reelect them. There is no accountability, they can get away with murder and voters (VBNMW types) will still cast a vote for that murderer as long as there is a D by their name.
Now you're just sounding like you're posting in bad faith. You asked "where were the calls to primary" and in your very next comment you're saying "calls to primary are irrelevant" as though it was my point and you're refuting it. There's not enough accountability because voter turnout in the primaries is absolute garbage. Protest voting in the general is useless. We need overwhelming turnout in the primaries for the state legislatures to get better candidates in the general. Election reform to enable viable 3rd party candidates will only come on a state-by-state level. And that will never happen without good turnout in the primaries.
It's not a bad faith argument, the few saying primary candidates before the election are the same ones that will vote for them anyway. Politicians have no incentive to bend to the will of their constituents if they continue to be rewarded for bad behavior.
This is voter suppression, it's telling people 'vote my way or else it's a wasted vote.' And it's always 'do it my way this time, we can think about reform later', later never comes.
You asked where are the calls to primary, I told you that the calls to primary were made, and you then said calls to primary are irrelevant. You did not have faith in your own point.
I'm not in a position of authority to suppress anybody's vote, and I'm not telling anyone to not vote. I am, in fact, advocating for more people to vote, and to do so more often and more consistently. That's kind of the opposite of voter suppression. Protest voting is how we got Trump when Clinton was the nominee. The next President will be either the Democratic nominee or the Republican nominee. There will be other choices, but they won't win, voting for them just lowers the number of votes that the major party candidate on the opposite end of the spectrum need to beat to win. If I was opposed to election reform, I wouldn't be out here encouraging people to vote in the primaries. I would be keeping silent while they continue to ignore how long their tactic has failed at achieving the goal. But I support election reform, so I vote in the primaries and encourage other people to do the same.
Meaning the calls to primary were not serious. Time and again voters complain then reelect the people they are complaining about. That's why the DNC are not even campaigning, they know they can do jack shit and voters will still vote for them. Many feel trapped by the system while they keep supporting it because they have been convinced there are no other choices and anything but a vote for their oppressors is a wasted vote.
How are you reaching that conclusion (especially when just 4 hours ago you seemed unaware that people were calling for it)? I think they were serious. But they were rendered moot because both Sinema and Manchin announced they weren't seeking re-election before the 2024 primary season started.
Incumbents win re-election so easily because voter turnout in primaries sucks so they don't have to spend hardly any money or energy to be nominated again. Here in Texas, we had 3.2 M voters in the 2024 primaries, out of 17.9 M registered voters. And 2.3 M of those were Republican primary voters. So only ~1 M Democratic primary voters, selecting who will be on the ballot in November. Now you can try to blame that on Biden being too old and unpopular to motivate people out to vote, but that's just passing the buck on voters removing their voices from the literally every other office that's up for election. Biden being the presumptive nominee for president in no way takes away your voice for all those other offices that have 100x more impact on your daily life. And at the start of it all, you have to have better candidates actually willing to run in the primary in order to vote for them in the primary.
But they're not participating in the process of selecting the candidates that will be on the general election ballot. One million Democratic primary ballots cast in a state where the previous mid-term general election had ~3.5 M Democratic votes for the statewide offices and the previous presidential election had 5.2 M Democratic votes. And to be clear, there were 8 candidates for president on the 2024 Democratic primary ballot in Texas.
If you are aligned left, and you vote in the general for a 3rd party, you are reducing the number of votes the Republican candidate needs to receive to win. That is a mathematical fact in every precinct in this country where a simple plurality of cast votes determines the winner. Pointing it out is not a suppression/oppression tactic, it's a plea to learn how the system is designed to function because we won't overcome its intentional problems by sitting on the sidelines.
Biden no more aligns with my values than a Republicans does yours. Democrats have contributed to the problems we have, giving them power to pull the football back again is not the solution.