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[–] [email protected] 80 points 5 months ago (5 children)

There's a ton of trolls in here who can't celebrate anything good while anything bad is happening. Yes, his response to the genocide in Israel was abysmal. I have no illusions that the right would have done any better, and in fact believe Trump would have thrown more fuel on it. I'm ecstatic that Biden is not running again so that maybe Kamala can finally fucking do something about it. But I think we can take five seconds to admit that he did a lot of good for our country in other ways and made the right call here in dropping out.

For those who won't budge:

There's literally no winning, huh? Any flaw or misstep is enough to complain about and use as a reason to abstain or be an accelerationist. Y'all will claim Biden and Dems are monsters for their flaws. All that does is hurt the sane side of our government and make the actual fascists who have done so much worse have a better chance at taking over.

Can y'all please please please not let perfect be the enemy of good for once in your miserable life? This thinking is what brought us Trump in the first place, and while I can agree we need to do better, start at the local level, because only caring when we're on another brinkmanship presidential race makes you look like short-sighted toddlers.

[–] solsangraal 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

it's pretty telling that, for all the biden bashing and accusations of "you support genocide!!!" in this thread, i see very few concrete actionable suggestions from those people about what everyone should be doing right now. beyond "sToP sAyInG gOoD tHiNgS aBoUt BiDeN"

LOL

no.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Look, all these posts from accounts on lemmygrad, chapotraphouse members, lemmy.ml…they’re all bullshit. I’m convinced that they are entirely Russian trolls. There is no making them happy with slightly left of center. It seems they’ll never be happy until America has been destroyed. There is no point to placating them or even acknowledging their existence.

The “genocide Joe” moniker was particularly stupid. Do you really think Joe Biden was going to single handedly denounce Israel and kill off a key strategic alliance because of a few extremists? It is a completely silly notion.

[–] solsangraal 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

they’ll never be happy until America has been destroyed

it's important to slap down the nonsense and call out the bullshit at every opportunity. they're coming out of the woodwork to harass and manipulate everyone into second guessing themselves, for the sole purpose of getting trump into the white house.

fuck that shit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

When you say slightly left of center, to whom are you referring? Bernie wasn't allowed to run for President.

Slapping a rainbow sticker on capitalism doesn't make the Democrats leftists. We have two conservative parties in this country, just one that's evolving into their final form (fascism). Don't get me wrong, I'll be voting for Harris in November and I'm ecstatic that Biden stepped aside. But if all the leftists online are "Russian bots", than all you centrists are pro-capitalism LLMs. And we'll be right back in the same position in four years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Leaving aside the actual political substance of your comment. Don't you think it's a bit... Head in the sand to assume anyone who disagrees with you is some "Russian troll"? I know we all exist in social media bubbles, myself included, but my social circles and my online circles all share "radical" concerns about the administration and country in general but it generally comes from a genuine desire for our politicians and therefore country to be and do better. We're all Americans just like (I presume) you.

I joined lemmy.ml cause of the FOSS stuff but I'm learning it comes with a reputation I didn't know about.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

In my childhood (in Russia) I'd talk this way about Russia. So they might be real.

I just (EDIT: later) realized later that many of the good things around me are too, well, not from Mars.

And that many of the bad things around me are absolutely not specific to Russia or ex-USSR.

And that one thing absolutely right is scolding all you don't like and not bowing your head, because when you accept fools and their foolery because of some false "lesser evil", you lose.

Not all of them are trolls. Shit, I've met tankies more libertarian that a lot of people "not interested in politics", because the norm for that grey mass has shifted to a really dark place.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Trump essentially said he would just let Israel “finish the job”. So yeah, throwing fuel on it is exactly what he would have done. Turned Israel loose.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Finding a reason to permanently write somebody off as bad is the way of the ~~sith~~ conservatives.