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So again are you proposing anything as an alternative to public schools, damaged and corrupted as they have been in the present status quo that also likes to preach about how worthless public schools are while also stripping the remaining metaphorical copper from the walls?
Cute, but stating what you would do on an individual basis with a "don't care, whatever" clause isn't a basis for a plan for millions of school-age children that would otherwise have nothing but the tender mercies of whatever their parents could (or couldn't) come up with to educate them.
Maybe the OP really shouldn't get into teaching because it is thanklessly hard work with diminishing rewards and less and less chance to make a positive difference for students. Even so, the attitude that it has always been worthless and that nothing can ever be done to improve it is just fatalistic bullshit.
I think you two are talking past each other. I think that hamid gave their advice to OP specifically and you are turning around and asking "What is your systemic solution to the problems you believe are present in public school" which is interesting but doesn't necessarily follow "is this a good idea Y/N?"
Maybe, but to me, even the opener came loaded with the implication that public school was worthless in general, not just as a career choice.
What IS "the way" then? If it's all "teaching propaganda to kids" what else is there? The implications of that statement went beyond individual career choice.
I left teaching recently, myself. I know very well how bullshit it is right now.
Yes, it does suck. My point, since you've replied to me in four different places, is once again that those kids do need to be educated, somehow, and that public schools are a public necessity unless we want to regress back to an even worse time. It's not a great career choice for most and I left it behind myself, but "it's all propaganda anyway so just end it all" isn't a wise or sustainable long term answer to how fucked up it's gone.
As a kid I was raised believing teaching was a respected job (along with being a nurse, doctor etc) but I now perceive it to be somewhere along the spectrum of frustrating, demeaning and unsatisfying. Not because of the purpose but the compensation, institutional disregard and public scorn.
One of my best friends from school is a teacher & he commented to me that he is the only person he knows from when he majored who still teaches.
I am curious how much of this is consistent with your experience?
edit: I guess I only read the first half, my bad. The propaganda part is off putting to me as well. I struggle with this in general because often I feel there are assumptions that are more pervasive and more damaging than explicit propaganda (ex US won WWII) but people aren't typically consciously teaching that it just gets communicated somehow.
I edited the above comment too late so I'll put it here, starting with the quote I first responded to.
What IS "the way" then? If it's all "teaching propaganda to kids" what else is there? The implications of that statement, particularly that teaching was "teaching propaganda to kids" went beyond individual career choice.
I left teaching recently, myself. I know very well how bullshit it is right now. Yes, it is terrible and it'd take some public will and government-level forced uprooting against the privatized rot to make a positive difference. I actually agree that it isn't a good career to get into, right now, for someone that just wants to make a positive difference, but it's still necessary work, just like nursing and picking up garbage. The workers deserve better, including better means to do their necessary work.
Yeah, and until and unless that changes, my question is what could be done for kids that need education, right now. It fucking sucks right now, and that's one of the main reasons I left the profession myself, but that doesn't mean that "shit sucks, just stop trying" should be a society-wide decision ever after.