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Freed Israeli captive Noa Argamani says she was wounded by Israel, not Hamas
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Thank God she was only held against her will and not beaten or mistreated otherwise.
14,000 dead Palestinian children wish they could say the same.
Judging by the estimated - in a study published in Lancet - almost 200,000 Palestinians killed in Gaza in this ongowing attack and until a few montsh ago, and the proportion of under 18 in that population (around 40%), that number is a serious under estimation and the reality is more likely 4 or 5 times more children murdered by Israel than those 14,000.
My apologies, I just took the first number on Google.
One child is too many.
I'd imagine the Palestinians being r*d in detention centers would love to be treated so kindly.
If you’re going to censor yourself, it’s critical to account for the right number of letters, or nobody will know what you’re talking about.
Right now, I’m imagining a bunch of Palestinians on skateboards doing tricks and being fucking RAD.
rid
took me a while too to guess
It's originally a tik tok thing. The word itself can be triggering to people who have suffered sexual violence. R*d is enough to understand in context without necessarily evoking a similar traumatic response.
As if everyone didn't have to parse that in their head to figure out what they wrote and end up with the exact same word anyway.
I can understand how it would seem that way. My partner and I both have experienced sexual violence, and we both prefer this way. Even when we talk about it out aloud, we usually say "r." It's not that I can't say the word rape. In some contexts, using the actual word is warranted. It's just a word I kind of hate. That evokes trauma and pain. People say it all the time too and it's hard not to hear it and remember that you've been a victim before too. That word has a different meaning when it becomes personal, or at least in my experience it does. So I say r instead. I'm not proposing this as some kind of sweeping change across society to stop saying rape. I just prefer not to say it.
Speaking is very different. And yes, there's very much a point to the attempt. I'm saying it doesn't work in text, especially not in this vague form that most people won't ever know about.
Thank you for explaining. I didn’t understand that sensitivity was the reason.
Somewhere in the world, ~~somewhere~~ someone else has it even worse, but what does that matter? Can we not take issue with both things?
It's not somewhere else in the world. It's being committed by the Israeli state against Palestinian detainees. That's directly related to someone saying that the rights of the woman were being restricted in being a hostage. There are tens of thousands of Palestinian hostages. Sexual violence, torture and massive violations of human rights are rampant in Israeli detention centers.
So it's linked to this lady because she is Israeli, and all Israelis share collective guilt and deserve collective punishment for what other Israelis have done to Palestinians?
I thought what Israel is doing in Gaza was wrong because they are punishing Palestinian civilians for the actions of Palestinian militants. I now understand your opinion is different.
When did I say anything about collective punishment for Israelis? I don't understand how you could have gotten that from what I said.
Also, what Israel is doing in Gaza is wrong because they're committing acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing. They are a settler colonial state. Everything they have ever done in Palestine is wrong.
Let's recap. I pointed out the woman in the news story was held against her will. People replied that worse was happening to Palestinians. I pointed out that even worse can happen elsewhere. So what? It shouldn't mean we ignore what happened to this woman.
You're the one who came in to tie what happened to this woman to how Palestinians are treated specifically. I took that as approval of collective punishment. Otherwise, what does what this woman went through have to do with r*p in Israeli jails? What are you arguing if not that she didn't have it as bad as victims of her government? How is that relevant unless you think what one Israeli does has relevance to how another should be treated?
The fact that she has been held hostage has been used as justification for the unlawful detainment of Palestinians. The hostages have been the central crux of all of the actions Israel has taken. It's not that it doesn't matter whatsoever that she was taken hostage. It's that her being taken hostage is part of the justification for genocide of Palestinians.
What's that got to do with her being captured and held being a bad thing?
I never said it wasn't a bad thing. Only adding context to the situation. I don't understand what your hangup here is. The Israeli media lied about what happened to her. The Israeli military is taking tens of thousands of prisoners and doing the exact thing they accused hamas of doing to her. That's relevant. A genocide is ongoing based on misinformation mischaracterization and selective omission of information.
Yeah, that came off as callous and victim-blaming to me. Your first comment was that this lady had it good compared to victims of her countrymen. Sounded like collective blame to me.
At least you're not the Dresden guy.
I never said she deserved it, nor that it was right. We can have wider discussions that relate to the content of a post. Conversations wouldn't go far on this platform if we were restricted to talking exactly about the subject of each post.
She is also a victim of her countrymen, to be clear.
you know that the only people who cry about Dresden to this day are nazis? and they sound a lot like you.
Is that even true? Seems like there is and should be debate about Dresden as well as Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
But I take from this that you feel the totally disproportionate Israeli response to the atrocities of Hamas is justified. And there I have to disagree with you.
What a weird comment to inject here.
Israel also jails children without trial or with a forced confession, and tortures them. Palestinians are jailed without charge, forced into false confessions, routinely tortured, raped, denied medical attention, and sometimes killed as a result
Palestinians denied civil rights (HRW) including Military Court (B'TSelem)
Palestinian Prisoners in Israel (wiki)
Children are jailed and abused in Israeli prisons (Save The Children)
Torture and Abuse in Interrogations (B'TSelem)
Thousands of Palestinians are held without charge under Israeli detention policy (NPR)
Urgently investigate inhumane treatment and enforced disappearance of Palestinians detainees from Gaza (Amnesty)
Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests (Amnesty)
Something her parents would probably say; thank you for adding some perspective and not being a smug asshole about the situation.
Palestinians have no freedom of movement. Every single person in Gaza is being held against their will.
Liberals will, completely unironically, deny genocide and then go to a thread talking about how logically inconsistent conservatives are.
Y’all really don’t have any beliefs or independent thoughts, huh?
You may (or may not) have missed all the massive protests against Netanyahu and the IDF. Whatever. You’re just here to stir the shit anyway.